Def an FO. (although there was a type-0 it shouldve been around 532-542 EOY pay) Ive flown with a few CA that hashed it out pretty hard (yeah they have nothing else going on) that cleared 7 figs with the bonus. But they also live in the cockpit.

Apparently a year 1 guy here cleared over 300K first year. He also blocked like 960 hours and a bit of a reserve so he was def an outlier. But it can be done.

Hopefully you guys get something good soon, I know a ton of yall down in PIE.

 

I’m curious how the math would have worked if we had taken the pamphlet offer a couple years ago. We would be very close to that second contract expiring and beginning negotiations again.
I think we would have all been much further ahead. Particularly our 401k’s with all the gains we missed out on over the past couple of years.

 

It isn’t hard to do. Someone plug the numbers into excel and see where that would put us.

 

Partly correct my enlightened friend. Trusteeship is supposed to be 18 months. We however are in an increasingly questionable ~emergency trusteeship~ which does not have the same 18 month timeline. We are GU’s until GU says otherwise and even then, the outcome is split. Either he recommends 2118 be dissolved and brought into another local (like 1224) or he recommends that we hold our own elections. This whole process is laid out in the constitution.

This whole thing is beginning to smell more and more like a political coup. The only losers are Allegiant pilots.

I swore that after ALPA hosed me at ComAir I would never entertain them again but I’m having some serious questions lately about the IBT. I haven’t had a chance to listen to the last Trustee update but from what I hear, it didn’t go well.

 

Don’t you dare bring common sense into this argument!! The time for this was so long ago, that it’s now become laughable to look at there we stand today. Literally no hope in sight of a deal. How the heck people are still thinking the IBT is looking out for our best interest is beyond me.

 

if you had 20+ years til retirement then your 401k alone is over a million short of what it could have been (granted the bulk market has been on a tear since then) and that is just the 401k piece, not including the increase to rates which were about 35% if I recall. That was two years ago.

There is no doubt whatsoever that we would have been better off taking that deal. anybody who says otherwise is an utter fool that doesn’t know basic math.

Honestly we’d probably be better off taking whatever management just put out and getting a deal asap instead of waiting another 12-18 months. The retirement contribution cannot be overstated how much we lose each month that we miss out on the ~15% DC to our 401k.

but again teamster Tom will just ignore the math and call me a management homer…

 

'Bout all we can do Nate is welcome into the fold more and more pilots who have finally seen behind the curtain, and realize however loud we protest that our voice is ignored. It takes as long as it takes. We're pawns. My money is on some kind of corporate transaction that preempts this whole thing before it ever gets done.

 

the problem lies in the small details the company is trying to exploit. No prem pay, below standard loss of license, etc

 

Jim thanks for the post. Couldn’t have come up with a more perfect way to prove my point: we would be way better off had we taken the mailer proposal two years ago. I’ll trade an extra million to my 401k and $300k in earnings for no more premium pay (remember no legacy contracts don’t have premium pay).

“The small details” you are concerned about won’t come close to the millions we have lost…

Also, I have no idea what you’re talking about with LTD. Management has already offered loss of license LTD with ~$12k pay outs. Remember we had loss of license LTD til retirement before this contract and GU gave it away! GU negotiated a way way way worse LTD than we had with pwr.

But he’s now our savior. Teamster Tom and the other IBT cheerleaders need reminders and reality checks. GU is not our friend or ally, we are just his pawns.

 

no other airline works 95 hrs…you’re happy working 95 hrs every month with no premium pay? You’re absolutely insane and I will never do that.

you’re also happy with 12k LTD… you’re really out there if you think that’s good. I’m also sure it doesn’t include keeping our benefits, travel benefits, 401k contributions, etc. …all things other airlines have.