Contract negotiations
12-08-2024 | 10:30 AM
#2361
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1. Is allegiant hiring
2. How long to hold FLL base
3. Is training good? Last I heard it was sloppy and not standard about 2 years ago. With high fails. Is it aqp as well?
4. Difference between 737 flying and a320 flying? Which is better? QoL? Which one is in fll
5. Apc pages says "NEW: Allegiant and the Union are still in contract negotiations and have agreed to a pilot retention bonus. The final payment amount and timing are subject to CBA ratification, but it is the company’s commitment to pay the accrued amount 60 days following the contract signing. Effective May 1st, the Company began ‘banking’ or ‘accruing’ a retention bonus for our current pilots that will pay the difference between actual pay and the pay increase we have proposed in negotiations (35% for all pilots except first-year FOs; and 82% for first-year FOs). Bonus rate calculation example for first year First Officers• Current rate: $57.67• Current rate + 82.1% increase= $105.01• Retention Bonus Rate: $47.34 (Difference between the current rate and 82.1% increase)• $47.34 X 85 hours = $4,024 (Monthly Retention Bonus Accrual)"
If I join allegiant today, right now, I will be paid the old 58/hr but once a new contract is made,will be paid the difference of $105 right?
2. How long to hold FLL base
3. Is training good? Last I heard it was sloppy and not standard about 2 years ago. With high fails. Is it aqp as well?
4. Difference between 737 flying and a320 flying? Which is better? QoL? Which one is in fll
5. Apc pages says "NEW: Allegiant and the Union are still in contract negotiations and have agreed to a pilot retention bonus. The final payment amount and timing are subject to CBA ratification, but it is the company’s commitment to pay the accrued amount 60 days following the contract signing. Effective May 1st, the Company began ‘banking’ or ‘accruing’ a retention bonus for our current pilots that will pay the difference between actual pay and the pay increase we have proposed in negotiations (35% for all pilots except first-year FOs; and 82% for first-year FOs). Bonus rate calculation example for first year First Officers• Current rate: $57.67• Current rate + 82.1% increase= $105.01• Retention Bonus Rate: $47.34 (Difference between the current rate and 82.1% increase)• $47.34 X 85 hours = $4,024 (Monthly Retention Bonus Accrual)"
If I join allegiant today, right now, I will be paid the old 58/hr but once a new contract is made,will be paid the difference of $105 right?
Last edited by Want; 12-08-2024 at 10:47 AM.
12-08-2024 | 02:17 PM
#2362
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From: MD80 CA
1. Is allegiant hiring
Hiring possible in spring. Depends on how many move on as no growth in fleet expected 2025.
2. How long to hold FLL base
Hard to say as its a small base for us. Unless they get to grow because of spirit/JB cuts.
3. Is training good? Last I heard it was sloppy and not standard about 2 years ago. With high fails. Is it aqp as well?
Training is average/ no AQP has been in the works for years no real progress towards getting maybe under no CBA if that ever comes.
4. Difference between 737 flying and a320 flying? Which is better? QoL? Which one is in fll
The 737 has just begun to fly we only have 3 and the 4th sometime in near future. Currently FLL is all AB. Announced 737 is SFB,PIE,PGD. its Possible FLL could be one of the bases chosen but it will be awile depending on what Boeing can deliver.
5. Apc pages says "NEW: Allegiant and the Union are still in contract negotiations and have agreed to a pilot retention bonus. The final payment amount and timing are subject to CBA ratification, but it is the company’s commitment to pay the accrued amount 60 days following the contract signing. Effective May 1st, the Company began ‘banking’ or ‘accruing’ a retention bonus for our current pilots that will pay the difference between actual pay and the pay increase we have proposed in negotiations (35% for all pilots except first-year FOs; and 82% for first-year FOs). Bonus rate calculation example for first year First Officers• Current rate: $57.67• Current rate + 82.1% increase= $105.01• Retention Bonus Rate: $47.34 (Difference between the current rate and 82.1% increase)• $47.34 X 85 hours = $4,024 (Monthly Retention Bonus Accrual)"
If I join allegiant today, right now, I will be paid the old 58/hr but once a new contract is made,will be paid the difference of $105 right?
Hiring possible in spring. Depends on how many move on as no growth in fleet expected 2025.
2. How long to hold FLL base
Hard to say as its a small base for us. Unless they get to grow because of spirit/JB cuts.
3. Is training good? Last I heard it was sloppy and not standard about 2 years ago. With high fails. Is it aqp as well?
Training is average/ no AQP has been in the works for years no real progress towards getting maybe under no CBA if that ever comes.
4. Difference between 737 flying and a320 flying? Which is better? QoL? Which one is in fll
The 737 has just begun to fly we only have 3 and the 4th sometime in near future. Currently FLL is all AB. Announced 737 is SFB,PIE,PGD. its Possible FLL could be one of the bases chosen but it will be awile depending on what Boeing can deliver.
5. Apc pages says "NEW: Allegiant and the Union are still in contract negotiations and have agreed to a pilot retention bonus. The final payment amount and timing are subject to CBA ratification, but it is the company’s commitment to pay the accrued amount 60 days following the contract signing. Effective May 1st, the Company began ‘banking’ or ‘accruing’ a retention bonus for our current pilots that will pay the difference between actual pay and the pay increase we have proposed in negotiations (35% for all pilots except first-year FOs; and 82% for first-year FOs). Bonus rate calculation example for first year First Officers• Current rate: $57.67• Current rate + 82.1% increase= $105.01• Retention Bonus Rate: $47.34 (Difference between the current rate and 82.1% increase)• $47.34 X 85 hours = $4,024 (Monthly Retention Bonus Accrual)"
If I join allegiant today, right now, I will be paid the old 58/hr but once a new contract is made,will be paid the difference of $105 right?
12-09-2024 | 11:11 AM
#2363
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From: B737 CA
I'll preface by saying this, use your brains and not your emotion when you read and subsequently respond to this comment.
It's time we look in the mirror and ask ourselves what on earth is going on with our pilot group. For almost a year now, we've let an outsider come in and tell us what is best for us. GU has not been an airline pilot in almost a decade and even worse, he has never been a pilot at Allegiant. Yet somehow, this career politician has gaslit 1,400 pilots into thinking he knows best and is deserving of our blind trust. When GU failed us during our time in Local 1224, we all eagerly ran to support the creation of our own Local. Most, if not all of the deficiencies of our current 9 year old CBA can be traced back to GU's ineptness. Now to mitigate repeating his same mistakes, he has appointed a team of negotiators who possess absolutely zero negotiating experience. In addition to this glaring lack of expertise, JR himself has admitted that he's a liar. When asked about principles he campaigned on, his response was to denounce this question as irrelevant due to it simply being "campaign material". GU and his own appointed negotiating counsel's most recent victory? A contract for Atlas through binding arbitration. This is simply unacceptable.
In recent weeks, several critcal questions have been raised:
-An updated CBA Survey: For almost a month, GU and his team have stated that in the next few days a new CBA survey will again be released. Over a week ago, we were told this survey was "in it's beta form" and would be ready in the coming days. Here we are, nearing 2025 with a committee that evidently cannot produce a simple survey while having each member off on full time flight pay loss. Why do we not yet have this survey?
-No New Dates: The last negotiating sessions with the NMB were now over a month ago. In the time since, what has been done by the negotiating committee? Publicly? Seemingly nothing. For the sake of transparency, we should demand to begin seeing a weekly NC agenda proving to us that their use of FPL is justified. This is especially critical on the heels of GU's own critique of AR's use of FPL. (more on that in a moment)
-Flaundering Communications: GU promised improved communications, yet communications have significantly regressed since his presence commenced. As the due paying members of this Local, we should demand a weekly recap from the Trustee outlining the work undertaken throughout the preceeding week to set our local back on the path of self governance. Additionally, we should demand a weekly recap from vital committees such as the negotiating committee, safety committee, and others as deemed necessary. This is particullarly critical when members of the committee are out on flight pay loss.
-Questionable Flight Pay Loss: In this last week's bid package, it was noted that several members of the Negotiating Committee are placed on Flight Pay Loss on Holidays such as Christmas and New Years. It is vital that we members be provided proof that their respective committees are indeed partaking in Union Work on these holidays.
We must remind each other that we control this Local. We are the Due Paying members and even a politician such as GU must respect the wishes of Allegiant Pilots. It is more important now than ever that we shift the focus of finding an enemy from internally to externally.
It's time we look in the mirror and ask ourselves what on earth is going on with our pilot group. For almost a year now, we've let an outsider come in and tell us what is best for us. GU has not been an airline pilot in almost a decade and even worse, he has never been a pilot at Allegiant. Yet somehow, this career politician has gaslit 1,400 pilots into thinking he knows best and is deserving of our blind trust. When GU failed us during our time in Local 1224, we all eagerly ran to support the creation of our own Local. Most, if not all of the deficiencies of our current 9 year old CBA can be traced back to GU's ineptness. Now to mitigate repeating his same mistakes, he has appointed a team of negotiators who possess absolutely zero negotiating experience. In addition to this glaring lack of expertise, JR himself has admitted that he's a liar. When asked about principles he campaigned on, his response was to denounce this question as irrelevant due to it simply being "campaign material". GU and his own appointed negotiating counsel's most recent victory? A contract for Atlas through binding arbitration. This is simply unacceptable.
In recent weeks, several critcal questions have been raised:
-An updated CBA Survey: For almost a month, GU and his team have stated that in the next few days a new CBA survey will again be released. Over a week ago, we were told this survey was "in it's beta form" and would be ready in the coming days. Here we are, nearing 2025 with a committee that evidently cannot produce a simple survey while having each member off on full time flight pay loss. Why do we not yet have this survey?
-No New Dates: The last negotiating sessions with the NMB were now over a month ago. In the time since, what has been done by the negotiating committee? Publicly? Seemingly nothing. For the sake of transparency, we should demand to begin seeing a weekly NC agenda proving to us that their use of FPL is justified. This is especially critical on the heels of GU's own critique of AR's use of FPL. (more on that in a moment)
-Flaundering Communications: GU promised improved communications, yet communications have significantly regressed since his presence commenced. As the due paying members of this Local, we should demand a weekly recap from the Trustee outlining the work undertaken throughout the preceeding week to set our local back on the path of self governance. Additionally, we should demand a weekly recap from vital committees such as the negotiating committee, safety committee, and others as deemed necessary. This is particullarly critical when members of the committee are out on flight pay loss.
-Questionable Flight Pay Loss: In this last week's bid package, it was noted that several members of the Negotiating Committee are placed on Flight Pay Loss on Holidays such as Christmas and New Years. It is vital that we members be provided proof that their respective committees are indeed partaking in Union Work on these holidays.
We must remind each other that we control this Local. We are the Due Paying members and even a politician such as GU must respect the wishes of Allegiant Pilots. It is more important now than ever that we shift the focus of finding an enemy from internally to externally.
12-09-2024 | 11:33 AM
#2364
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,075
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From: CA
I'll preface by saying this, use your brains and not your emotion when you read and subsequently respond to this comment.
It's time we look in the mirror and ask ourselves what on earth is going on with our pilot group. For almost a year now, we've let an outsider come in and tell us what is best for us. GU has not been an airline pilot in almost a decade and even worse, he has never been a pilot at Allegiant. Yet somehow, this career politician has gaslit 1,400 pilots into thinking he knows best and is deserving of our blind trust. When GU failed us during our time in Local 1224, we all eagerly ran to support the creation of our own Local. Most, if not all of the deficiencies of our current 9 year old CBA can be traced back to GU's ineptness. Now to mitigate repeating his same mistakes, he has appointed a team of negotiators who possess absolutely zero negotiating experience. In addition to this glaring lack of expertise, JR himself has admitted that he's a liar. When asked about principles he campaigned on, his response was to denounce this question as irrelevant due to it simply being "campaign material". GU and his own appointed negotiating counsel's most recent victory? A contract for Atlas through binding arbitration. This is simply unacceptable.
In recent weeks, several critcal questions have been raised:
-An updated CBA Survey: For almost a month, GU and his team have stated that in the next few days a new CBA survey will again be released. Over a week ago, we were told this survey was "in it's beta form" and would be ready in the coming days. Here we are, nearing 2025 with a committee that evidently cannot produce a simple survey while having each member off on full time flight pay loss. Why do we not yet have this survey?
-No New Dates: The last negotiating sessions with the NMB were now over a month ago. In the time since, what has been done by the negotiating committee? Publicly? Seemingly nothing. For the sake of transparency, we should demand to begin seeing a weekly NC agenda proving to us that their use of FPL is justified. This is especially critical on the heels of GU's own critique of AR's use of FPL. (more on that in a moment)
-Flaundering Communications: GU promised improved communications, yet communications have significantly regressed since his presence commenced. As the due paying members of this Local, we should demand a weekly recap from the Trustee outlining the work undertaken throughout the preceeding week to set our local back on the path of self governance. Additionally, we should demand a weekly recap from vital committees such as the negotiating committee, safety committee, and others as deemed necessary. This is particullarly critical when members of the committee are out on flight pay loss.
-Questionable Flight Pay Loss: In this last week's bid package, it was noted that several members of the Negotiating Committee are placed on Flight Pay Loss on Holidays such as Christmas and New Years. It is vital that we members be provided proof that their respective committees are indeed partaking in Union Work on these holidays.
We must remind each other that we control this Local. We are the Due Paying members and even a politician such as GU must respect the wishes of Allegiant Pilots. It is more important now than ever that we shift the focus of finding an enemy from internally to externally.
It's time we look in the mirror and ask ourselves what on earth is going on with our pilot group. For almost a year now, we've let an outsider come in and tell us what is best for us. GU has not been an airline pilot in almost a decade and even worse, he has never been a pilot at Allegiant. Yet somehow, this career politician has gaslit 1,400 pilots into thinking he knows best and is deserving of our blind trust. When GU failed us during our time in Local 1224, we all eagerly ran to support the creation of our own Local. Most, if not all of the deficiencies of our current 9 year old CBA can be traced back to GU's ineptness. Now to mitigate repeating his same mistakes, he has appointed a team of negotiators who possess absolutely zero negotiating experience. In addition to this glaring lack of expertise, JR himself has admitted that he's a liar. When asked about principles he campaigned on, his response was to denounce this question as irrelevant due to it simply being "campaign material". GU and his own appointed negotiating counsel's most recent victory? A contract for Atlas through binding arbitration. This is simply unacceptable.
In recent weeks, several critcal questions have been raised:
-An updated CBA Survey: For almost a month, GU and his team have stated that in the next few days a new CBA survey will again be released. Over a week ago, we were told this survey was "in it's beta form" and would be ready in the coming days. Here we are, nearing 2025 with a committee that evidently cannot produce a simple survey while having each member off on full time flight pay loss. Why do we not yet have this survey?
-No New Dates: The last negotiating sessions with the NMB were now over a month ago. In the time since, what has been done by the negotiating committee? Publicly? Seemingly nothing. For the sake of transparency, we should demand to begin seeing a weekly NC agenda proving to us that their use of FPL is justified. This is especially critical on the heels of GU's own critique of AR's use of FPL. (more on that in a moment)
-Flaundering Communications: GU promised improved communications, yet communications have significantly regressed since his presence commenced. As the due paying members of this Local, we should demand a weekly recap from the Trustee outlining the work undertaken throughout the preceeding week to set our local back on the path of self governance. Additionally, we should demand a weekly recap from vital committees such as the negotiating committee, safety committee, and others as deemed necessary. This is particullarly critical when members of the committee are out on flight pay loss.
-Questionable Flight Pay Loss: In this last week's bid package, it was noted that several members of the Negotiating Committee are placed on Flight Pay Loss on Holidays such as Christmas and New Years. It is vital that we members be provided proof that their respective committees are indeed partaking in Union Work on these holidays.
We must remind each other that we control this Local. We are the Due Paying members and even a politician such as GU must respect the wishes of Allegiant Pilots. It is more important now than ever that we shift the focus of finding an enemy from internally to externally.
12-09-2024 | 11:42 AM
#2365
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Just being devil’s advocate here. Really tired of paying for this sh*t.
12-09-2024 | 12:39 PM
#2366
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Joined: Oct 2010
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From: CA
Removing the IBT requires gathering signatures & then petitioning the NLRB for an election.Previously the consensus on this notion has been too disruptive in the middle of negotiations.
12-09-2024 | 01:17 PM
#2367
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Joined: Mar 2024
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From: B737 CA
I agree with the previous consensus. A lot of guys I talk with all express the same concern, the impact on negotiations. That said, are we even negotiating anymore?
12-09-2024 | 01:25 PM
#2368
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Joined: Mar 2024
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From: B737 CA
Follow up topic of discussion for the group:
Now that GU has released the transcripts of AR's hearing. What are the thoughts amongst pilots?
-Did AR actually steal from Local 2118? Or does this boil down to a procedurual screwup?
-What is GU's main argument?
-Does anyone else feel like the chain of events that led to the audit's initiation, the preceeding election, and those who ran for office involvement are all sort of shady?
Digest
Now that GU has released the transcripts of AR's hearing. What are the thoughts amongst pilots?
-Did AR actually steal from Local 2118? Or does this boil down to a procedurual screwup?
-What is GU's main argument?
-Does anyone else feel like the chain of events that led to the audit's initiation, the preceeding election, and those who ran for office involvement are all sort of shady?
Digest
12-09-2024 | 01:33 PM
#2369
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Joined: Jul 2023
Posts: 183
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I'll preface by saying this, use your brains and not your emotion when you read and subsequently respond to this comment.
It's time we look in the mirror and ask ourselves what on earth is going on with our pilot group. For almost a year now, we've let an outsider come in and tell us what is best for us. GU has not been an airline pilot in almost a decade and even worse, he has never been a pilot at Allegiant. Yet somehow, this career politician has gaslit 1,400 pilots into thinking he knows best and is deserving of our blind trust. When GU failed us during our time in Local 1224, we all eagerly ran to support the creation of our own Local. Most, if not all of the deficiencies of our current 9 year old CBA can be traced back to GU's ineptness. Now to mitigate repeating his same mistakes, he has appointed a team of negotiators who possess absolutely zero negotiating experience. In addition to this glaring lack of expertise, JR himself has admitted that he's a liar. When asked about principles he campaigned on, his response was to denounce this question as irrelevant due to it simply being "campaign material". GU and his own appointed negotiating counsel's most recent victory? A contract for Atlas through binding arbitration. This is simply unacceptable.
In recent weeks, several critcal questions have been raised:
-An updated CBA Survey: For almost a month, GU and his team have stated that in the next few days a new CBA survey will again be released. Over a week ago, we were told this survey was "in it's beta form" and would be ready in the coming days. Here we are, nearing 2025 with a committee that evidently cannot produce a simple survey while having each member off on full time flight pay loss. Why do we not yet have this survey?
-No New Dates: The last negotiating sessions with the NMB were now over a month ago. In the time since, what has been done by the negotiating committee? Publicly? Seemingly nothing. For the sake of transparency, we should demand to begin seeing a weekly NC agenda proving to us that their use of FPL is justified. This is especially critical on the heels of GU's own critique of AR's use of FPL. (more on that in a moment)
-Flaundering Communications: GU promised improved communications, yet communications have significantly regressed since his presence commenced. As the due paying members of this Local, we should demand a weekly recap from the Trustee outlining the work undertaken throughout the preceeding week to set our local back on the path of self governance. Additionally, we should demand a weekly recap from vital committees such as the negotiating committee, safety committee, and others as deemed necessary. This is particullarly critical when members of the committee are out on flight pay loss.
-Questionable Flight Pay Loss: In this last week's bid package, it was noted that several members of the Negotiating Committee are placed on Flight Pay Loss on Holidays such as Christmas and New Years. It is vital that we members be provided proof that their respective committees are indeed partaking in Union Work on these holidays.
We must remind each other that we control this Local. We are the Due Paying members and even a politician such as GU must respect the wishes of Allegiant Pilots. It is more important now than ever that we shift the focus of finding an enemy from internally to externally.
It's time we look in the mirror and ask ourselves what on earth is going on with our pilot group. For almost a year now, we've let an outsider come in and tell us what is best for us. GU has not been an airline pilot in almost a decade and even worse, he has never been a pilot at Allegiant. Yet somehow, this career politician has gaslit 1,400 pilots into thinking he knows best and is deserving of our blind trust. When GU failed us during our time in Local 1224, we all eagerly ran to support the creation of our own Local. Most, if not all of the deficiencies of our current 9 year old CBA can be traced back to GU's ineptness. Now to mitigate repeating his same mistakes, he has appointed a team of negotiators who possess absolutely zero negotiating experience. In addition to this glaring lack of expertise, JR himself has admitted that he's a liar. When asked about principles he campaigned on, his response was to denounce this question as irrelevant due to it simply being "campaign material". GU and his own appointed negotiating counsel's most recent victory? A contract for Atlas through binding arbitration. This is simply unacceptable.
In recent weeks, several critcal questions have been raised:
-An updated CBA Survey: For almost a month, GU and his team have stated that in the next few days a new CBA survey will again be released. Over a week ago, we were told this survey was "in it's beta form" and would be ready in the coming days. Here we are, nearing 2025 with a committee that evidently cannot produce a simple survey while having each member off on full time flight pay loss. Why do we not yet have this survey?
-No New Dates: The last negotiating sessions with the NMB were now over a month ago. In the time since, what has been done by the negotiating committee? Publicly? Seemingly nothing. For the sake of transparency, we should demand to begin seeing a weekly NC agenda proving to us that their use of FPL is justified. This is especially critical on the heels of GU's own critique of AR's use of FPL. (more on that in a moment)
-Flaundering Communications: GU promised improved communications, yet communications have significantly regressed since his presence commenced. As the due paying members of this Local, we should demand a weekly recap from the Trustee outlining the work undertaken throughout the preceeding week to set our local back on the path of self governance. Additionally, we should demand a weekly recap from vital committees such as the negotiating committee, safety committee, and others as deemed necessary. This is particullarly critical when members of the committee are out on flight pay loss.
-Questionable Flight Pay Loss: In this last week's bid package, it was noted that several members of the Negotiating Committee are placed on Flight Pay Loss on Holidays such as Christmas and New Years. It is vital that we members be provided proof that their respective committees are indeed partaking in Union Work on these holidays.
We must remind each other that we control this Local. We are the Due Paying members and even a politician such as GU must respect the wishes of Allegiant Pilots. It is more important now than ever that we shift the focus of finding an enemy from internally to externally.
12-09-2024 | 04:54 PM
#2370
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Joined: May 2024
Posts: 88
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agree 100%. How long until people actually send in ALPA cards? How long should we tolerate this? This new NC has TAd absolutely nothing and their transparency is pathetic. Setting mediation dates cannot possibly take more than a few days, yet here we are going into week 3 with nothing
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