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Margaritaville 04-05-2025 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by jimmy8 (Post 3900919)
word is union is going for binding arbitration… I’ve heard the ALPA drive is still ongoing. https://g4p4a.
info

we all know how teamsters does in binding arbitration, it’s not too late to turn this around


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3900942)
I thought Tom said it “takes as long as it takes” though? That we would never “settle?” I mean, seriously…binding arbitration? Does everyone know how badly we’ll get screwed in this? We won’t even end up with FedEx mailer highlights.

Binding arbitration is a terrible idea. It's literally the union giving up. An arbitrator can impose whatever they think is "fair" and arbitrators lean heavily for management. It could be less than the mailer given the economy now. Best case scenario is he splits the baby and gives concessions to both sides. I'd do everything I could to oppose this. You'll be miserable for 4 years+

As for Tom I think everyone knws he isn't in the loop any more. Is he even still running G4PAF?

SladeTin 04-05-2025 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by jimmy8 (Post 3900958)
I think you’re being a bit dramatic. Allegiant has put forward many “mailers” so it will be at least the latest mailer if not better.. which tbh isn’t as bad as spending the next 3 years in binding arbitration. If teamsters send us to binding arbitration then it is the death of them

I think you’re being optimistic there. The last “mailer” they sent us was pretty much a year ago. A lot has changed since then, and none of it in our favor. The company has zero obligation to those rates. If we wanted them, we had our chance. If we go down the road of binding arbitration, expect rates to match places like Spirit, Sun Country, and Breeze. Not exactly pay scales I want to look forward to working under for the next undetermined number of years.

jimmy8 04-05-2025 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3900976)
I think you’re being optimistic there. The last “mailer” they sent us was pretty much a year ago. A lot has changed since then, and none of it in our favor. The company has zero obligation to those rates. If we wanted them, we had our chance. If we go down the road of binding arbitration, expect rates to match places like Spirit, Sun Country, and Breeze. Not exactly pay scales I want to look forward to working under for the next undetermined number of years.

oh there would be a mass exodus next chance available including me if we had rates like that

tailendcharlie 04-05-2025 07:42 AM

What makes anyone think the company would agree to this?

AirparkBandit 04-05-2025 02:38 PM

why would they stick to the mailer with their early FA release program

tailendcharlie 04-05-2025 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by AirparkBandit (Post 3901133)
why would they stick to the mailer with their early FA release program

FA's aren't the only employee group overstaffed....

tom11011 04-05-2025 02:42 PM

No way. No binding arbitration. The union won’t agree to it and I doubt the company would either. It would be safer to just agree to the last mailer, but that’s not happening.

The loss was stunning to Atlas the last time this was tried not that long ago, and they are Teamsters.

PS there is no ALPA drive, they couldn’t even be bothered to identify themselves.

tailendcharlie 04-05-2025 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3901136)
No way. No binding arbitration. The union won’t agree to it and I doubt the company would either. It would be safer to just agree to the last mailer, but that’s not happening.

The loss was stunning to Atlas the last time this was tried not that long ago, and they are Teamsters.

PS there is no ALPA drive, they couldn’t even be bothered to identify themselves.

I think the binding arbitration rumour was a leftover April 1 joke....agree the company would never go for this

jimmy8 04-05-2025 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3901136)
No way. No binding arbitration. The union won’t agree to it and I doubt the company would either. It would be safer to just agree to the last mailer, but that’s not happening.

The loss was stunning to Atlas the last time this was tried not that long ago, and they are Teamsters.

PS there is no ALPA drive, they couldn’t even be bothered to identify themselves.

once again there is no expiration. If you go to the website you will see it’s actually active

tom11011 04-05-2025 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by jimmy8 (Post 3901170)
once again there is no expiration. If you go to the website you will see it’s actually active

the company probably runs that page


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