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pipercub 04-10-2025 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3903025)
Haven’t talked to single a flight attendant who thinks their cba is far below the rest of the industry. Most I talk to are thrilled they have a new contract because they know rocky the industry is getting…

Most of our FA's are also new to Airline world have have little knowledge as to what the rest of the industry gets. Yes they voted it in and most seem happy with it and also yes its below industry standards for their craft.

SladeTin 04-11-2025 09:17 AM

I’ve seen some dirty things from the company before, but this LAX closure stuff might top the list. That’s not how you treat your people. I thought this management team wanted to be “different” from the old ones. Guess not.

tailendcharlie 04-11-2025 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3903399)
I’ve seen some dirty things from the company before, but this LAX closure stuff might top the list. That’s not how you treat your people. I thought this management team wanted to be “different” from the old ones. Guess not.

Too bad the union spit on the lifeline the co. tried to throw them....

You gonna ride that "My union speaks for me" death spiral all the way to the ground?

SladeTin 04-11-2025 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3903406)
Too bad the union spit on the lifeline the co. tried to throw them....

You gonna ride that "My union speaks for me" death spiral all the way to the ground?

This goes way beyond union politics and pi**ing matches. It’s enough of a slap in the face to get your base closed, but to then be told you can’t exercise seniority rights and also good luck moving with no expenses paid?? Allegiant better hope we’re headed into a very long recession. If not, as soon as hiring picks up again the flood gates will open from this place. Wouldn’t blame them one bit either. Why stay here and be treated like dirt when there are much better alternatives?

Margaritaville 04-11-2025 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3903415)
This goes way beyond union politics and pi**ing matches. It’s enough of a slap in the face to get your base closed, but to then be told you can’t exercise seniority rights and also good luck moving with no expenses paid?? Allegiant better hope we’re headed into a very long recession. If not, as soon as hiring picks up again the flood gates will open from this place. Wouldn’t blame them one bit either. Why stay here and be treated like dirt when there are much better alternatives?

They tried the same thing back in 2020ish when they closed VBD. They tried to tell the VBD pilots they could only bid open vacancies and not exercize seniority rights. After an uproar the union got them a "one time exception" to industry standard displacement rights. I remember several pilots at the time saying this would be a terrible precedent to set that could effect everyone else at some point.

Pretty pathetic if they are going to try and stick with this policy this time. Definitely not industry standard.

captnate702 04-11-2025 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3903415)
This goes way beyond union politics and pi**ing matches. It’s enough of a slap in the face to get your base closed, but to then be told you can’t exercise seniority rights and also good luck moving with no expenses paid?? Allegiant better hope we’re headed into a very long recession. If not, as soon as hiring picks up again the flood gates will open from this place. Wouldn’t blame them one bit either. Why stay here and be treated like dirt when there are much better alternatives?

dude, Greg U even said the company offered LAX pilots seniority rights and $$$ way beyond the contract and Greg turned it down. Wanted money for hotels, rental cars and daily stipends because that’s what JR and Greg came up with. How do we know this??? Because Greg sent the MOU to all the LAX pilots that management had already signed. Greg knows he has egg on his face and now he’s trying to cya

you’re clueless if you think management looks bad right now. The LAX pilots are not mad at management, they’re furious at Greg.

That should tell you all you need to know.

captnate702 04-11-2025 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3903429)
They tried the same thing back in 2020ish when they closed VBD. They tried to tell the VBD pilots they could only bid open vacancies and not exercize seniority rights. After an uproar the union got them a "one time exception" to industry standard displacement rights. I remember several pilots at the time saying this would be a terrible precedent to set that could effect everyone else at some point.

Pretty pathetic if they are going to try and stick with this policy this time. Definitely not industry standard.

Marg, AUS closes less than a year because south terminal was condemned via eminent domain. Management and Greg U agreed to double the moving expenses and allow them to exercise seniority.

Management sent the same MOU to Greg for the LAX base and Greg refused to sign it. We know this because yesterday he sent a timeline of everything that happened and the MOUs to the LAX pilots.

He effed this one up because he never even read the contract that he negotiated which doesn’t count base closures as a displacement (truly ridiculous). Honestly it probably is a typo in the contract but the words are the words and base closures are not a displacement.

Management tried to do the same deal on LAX that they did with VBD and AUS but Greg wanted positive space/commuter allowance, hotel costs, rental cars, money for early lease terminations, daily stipends, etc. all things I agree with but not when there’s a corporate layoff, and early outs for crew members. The economy is in the tank, and Greg couldn’t be more tone deaf.

captnate702 04-11-2025 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3903406)
Too bad the union spit on the lifeline the co. tried to throw them....

You gonna ride that "My union speaks for me" death spiral all the way to the ground?

Greg has lost this pilot group forever. There are no fence sitters now. Never seen such an uproar from every single pilot in a base. LAX guys are furious with Greg and to a lesser extent JR.

(Heard from two LAX guys that JR is the one egging Greg on not to sign the deal and to insist on stuff that he knew management would never agree to)

tailendcharlie 04-11-2025 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3903471)
Greg has lost this pilot group forever. There are no fence sitters now. Never seen such an uproar from every single pilot in a base. LAX guys are furious with Greg and to a lesser extent JR.

(Heard from two LAX guys that JR is the one egging Greg on not to sign the deal and to insist on stuff that he knew management would never agree to)

It's a microcosm of what's been going on with contract negotiations.

pipercub 04-11-2025 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3903471)
Greg has lost this pilot group forever. There are no fence sitters now. Never seen such an uproar from every single pilot in a base. LAX guys are furious with Greg and to a lesser extent JR.

(Heard from two LAX guys that JR is the one egging Greg on not to sign the deal and to insist on stuff that he knew management would never agree to)

Guess you have not read any of the info sent out by the Union. The Union one, seems to have two things added. Section Requiring the company to cover parking in LAX for 3 months during a transition period even for moving pilots. Plus coving some cost due to Lease or selling a home. Those seem like very reasonable asks to take care of the Pilots that are being forced to either become a commuter or move to a new base. The New base could also be on a future cut list. Both Company and Union Doc had same wording for Pilot being absorbed into a base with at least one pilot junior is same seat.

The only unreasonable party once again is the company with their idea of Neg is to send a Doc already signed with the rules they wish to play by with the expectations that the union just accept sign and return.


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