piper - the doc they sent signed was the same thing GU signed less than a year ago for AUS pilots which was the same deal for the VBD guys.

Don’t you think that context matters just a little when explaining why LAX pilots are frustrated with GU for not just signing it?

there’s a million things management has done that are patently unreasonable but this is not one of them.

GU is so out of touch, he’s barely hanging on by a thread. ask any of the LAX guys what it was like trying to call GU this week. Multiple guys said when they spoke to him he was sloppy drunk and promising them he’d fix it… management has GU over a barrel on this LAX disaster and the only one GReg has to blame is himself.

So you think 3 months of parking and some help with lease break money is to much to ask for? The problem really is not what is asked for its the fact that the company expects the pilot to just take what they offer. That they have the best interest in the pilots at heart. They never never have, they look not at what they should be doing but at what is the cheapest option posible right now. Regarless if that option cost more later.

Management doesn’t have to offer anything - you know that right?? It would be WAY cheaper to just force the LAX pilots to follow management’s version of the contract and hope for some attrition? Wouldn’t that be the cheapest option? Management wants attrition from pilots right now (hence the early outs that will be coming soon).

so why isnt management doing that? Why are they letting them bid where they wanna be and offered to pay more than double what the contract says for moving expenses?

management offered LAX pilots the same thing GU just agreed to nine months ago for AUS. GU said no. So management said fine we’ll just follow the contract.

the mental gymnastics to defend GU here is astounding.

Go talk to an LAX pilot and tell me who they are blaming…

I could give a **** about GU, he is not an Allegiant Pilot. 100% the company has an obligation to do what is right by the LAX pilot regardless of any Union presure. In that they should do what any normal company would offer for this situation. In the past they have never acheived that average. They want the pilots to believe that they want to give a "contract that we can support" I think thats the new tag line. However, they refuse to offer anything close to Standard compensation for this type of reduction or closure. When it amounts to mere thousands of dollars. Why would anyone believe they have intentions to offer a contract worth millions to give what we should rightfully support.

stilk doesn’t answer my question: why does LAX have to get more than VBD and AUS??? Were you bashing management back then? I don’t remember anybody calling management evil for how AUS was treated but now all of sudden because GU is mad we all have to jump and down and defend him???

Company didn’t lowball GU with LAX deal, it was the exact same as AUS and the VBD pilots that’s where all your drama and indignation falls flat. The LAX pilots didn’t ask for more than what AUS got, they just wanted the same.

Management has lowballed us for years no doubt, but I just don’t get the freak out over this thing because we’ve already been through this twice - just nine months ago.

I can only answer for me. Maybe its the realisation that I am being abused and that will continue. Unless, We as a collective step up and say no more! or I have to move on, and should have years ago.

Now back to Airwolf Reruns...

I agree. Give us a TA so we can vote it down. Union leadership has failed us for over four years. They have hamstrung with these negotiations. Only way to show management we are united is to vote down a “contract we can proud of” with 90% voting NO.

problem is we won’t get the chance to show management that we are united and not gonna accept some lowball rates until 2027-2028

lol what?

some kind of Jedi mind trick? We’re voting it down right now.

management will not take us seriously at the bargaining table. The only way to show management our resolve will be voting down at least one TA. Might take two or three TA’s before they finally realize we will not settle

What management believes is their problem. Send them an email if you feel strongly about it.