yeah i doubt that Tommy Boy. Keep clinging to teamsters though

I'm all for conspiracies as much as the next guy, but come on man. You really think the company would do something so blatantly stupid and most likely illegal?

So I spoke with someone on the union side of things, and this person explained that what is going is GU wants to pursue "proffer for arbitration". According to GU "it is universally rejected when granted and that leads to the "cooling off" period for self help". So we'll see if the NMB bites. Anything is possible of course, but if the NMB doesn't take the advisement it will most likely mean that the NMB will ask our side to bring forward section 3. Which will place us basically back to October 24, when apparently that APPEARS to have happened.

Anyway, hoping for all this mess to get resolved and soon. We have elections coming soon, and that in itself will suck the air out of the room sort of speak. IMHO there will be at least 3 slates, and frankly everyone that will vote should focus on voting for a slate that is moderate. I personally don't want to keep seeing toxic leadership that likes to make mountains out of mole hills and acts like the current democratic party. Only focusing on resisting, instead of bipartisanship and colaboration to improve relations and work conditions. Just my two cents of course.

This just shows how weak and incompetent GU really is

At this point the company is probably hoping to get forced into arbitration. They know no arbitrator will impose steep costs with the recent financial collapse going on. We will get played for sure.

Think about management’s perspective on this, everything the IBT and GU have done the last year have been exactly what management wanted.

these negotiations have gone perfectly. You couldn’t write a better scenario for management. They keep putting out offers to the pilots showing they are willing to deal but the union refuses and says we are still years away. Can’t talk money til work rules blah blah blah… and the whole time management is getting a huge discount in the short term and the long term because the economy has tanked and is done for the year.

The earliest we might see demand return is the holiday flying at the end of the year. Probably won’t be til summer 2026 imo.

I would be shocked if management doesn’t pull back on rates at the end of the month with the mediator. And worse, the mediator will probably applaud them for it. The union will ask to get released and the mediator will laugh in their face and probably put the union on ice.

At this point, we might as well cancel the negotiations til we have elections and our pilot group elects people to lead us. We need elected Allegiant pilots to make the deal we need and are demanding. Look at the latest survey, it was bashing the union for slowing negotiations. JR even got his feelings hurt because pilots were “transparent” with him. He doesn’t want “transparency”, when the light shines on JR all it reveals is fatigue calls, sick calls and a cheap political campaign slogan. He had the opportunity to unite and lead this group and he squandered it. What a shame.

why am I bashing JR? Because he and GU are the ones pulling the strings and dictating negotiations. Josh is just a cheap empty suit. He has no power and no one on the NC respects him a lick (nice guy, but in WAY over his head).

Jay and Jim just follow JR around hoping he leaves them some scraps. Ask the pointed questions to our reps and the members of the NC and you’ll realize it’s obvious what’s going on. Everybody on the NC is scared to act. Scared of GU and scare JR. Terrified to make a deal that’s not “industry standard” when Allegiant has never been industry standard, we have 24 bases and 1200 pilots - how is that industry standard at all?

Legacy work rules will NEVER work here. MG will burn this place down himself before he allows it. Why does the NC and JR and GU insist on legacy work rules? Because GU wants to prove to O’Brien that he can get a legacy contract at Allegiant to prove his worth. Why does JR want legacy work rules? Who knows. That’s what I honestly cannot figure out. Campaign JR is totally different than chief of staff JR and it sucks.

Elections with ALPA would be ideal so we never go through this **** again

GU dropping the ball again. Wonder what Tommy Boys excuse will be this time

Greg must have that LAX MOU locked up in the same safe with the Teamsters' pay rates proposal......

are the LAX guys still in limbo?? Last I heard from one of them they said the m deal was gonna be the same as AUS