Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3929407)

I think current CBI solver can be whatever management wants it to be because they can recode it whenever and however they want. Don’t forget just a few years ago there hundreds of pilots forced to reserve while a jr pilot got a line and the arbitrator said it was not a contract violation. Now management has chosen not to do that recently because they’re pretending to play nice but they could start doing that again whenever they want.

It would be a monumental mistake to think “uh, schedules kinda suck but they’re not too bad, let’s just stick with CBI.” Because CBI can be programmed to do whatever the company wants.

But the Bloch award they’ll say, it protects my seniority. Well it doesn’t protect your seniority when you wanted a line, bud deep enough to get a line, but a jr pilot took your line because scheduling dept needed “high fly lines” and you were only in the “middle” of the LCW.

You might be right, maybe CBI could get ratified. But it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a huge mistake to put that kind of trust in management. They’ve done it multiple times and they’ll do it again. We are overstaffed so they don’t need to and they’re trying to play nice. But we’ve had several arbitrations about CBI and management has won them all except Bloch. And all Bloch got us was sequential bids.

Management can still jack up the MWDs whenever they want. Change the coding for solving bottom up, second solve, LCW buffers, low/med/high, force reserve to senior pilots, etc whenever they want because they control CBI entirely. There’s no manual, logic rules, etc to rely on. It is whatever management wants it to be and with “management rights” destroying us with GOM revisions, eliminating pos contact, etc don’t think for a second coding changes and “new updates” to solver logic won’t be justified under management rights.

as for the stuff about NK and F9, I’m not implying we don’t deserve it or that union shouldn’t ask for it. Unterseher even said it’s not last best final. I said we are years apart precisely because ULCCs, including us are struggling, which is why management won’t agree to that stuff absent a release. Even if management could afford the stock price would drop a min of 10-20% once those rates were made public so management will drag this out as long as possible for that reason alone.

Side note: I’m shocked they released executive summary this to the membership. That is very unorthodox in negotiations to publicize the union’s very first comprehensive wishlist. Unterseher is clearly feeling the heat from Alpa (which he repeatedly acknowledged on the town hall).

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3929647)

Company response will be a hard no....
GU next sends email claiming co. doesn't want a deal & is not negotiating in good faith even after we did what you said & presented our comprehensive proposal (which right off the bat has 2 poison-pill proposals that are DOA & Greg knows it - 1. unstacking & 2. mandating how the company operates the airline.)
GU restates impasse claim to NMB
Cue theme to Groundhog Day......

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3929647)

Company response will be a hard no....
GU next sends email claiming co. doesn't want a deal & is not negotiating in good faith even after we did what you said & presented our comprehensive proposal (which right off the bat has 2 poison-pill proposals that are DOA & Greg knows it - 1. unstacking & 2. mandating how the company operates the airline.)
GU restates impasse claim to NMB
Cue theme to Groundhog Day......

Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 3929696)

The company's response should to counter proposal the things that are not agreeable to them. If they Just say hard no there offer or nothing that is truly not neg in good faith. The things that are a no for the company should then be exchanged for the better union offer in other sections.

Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3931334)

I wish you all the best of luck, especially when it comes to GU having a part in it. I was at World Airways with him and he had a massive hand in forcing the shutdown of the airline. He’s a fanatic who will do everything he can to bully you into seeing his way. He cost a lot of people their livelihoods.

Originally Posted by DwightSnute (Post 3931935)

He's also responsible (along with CG) for the garbage contract they've been working under since 2016. GU knows the pilots are apathetic, making it easy for him to fight the ALPA drive and ensuring that they will continue working under one of the worst contracts in the industry. UAL and DAL will have gone through a full contract cycle before the allegiant pilots get a new contract. But maybe he and the toonsters will pull through one day.

Originally Posted by jimmy8 (Post 3932129)

not a GU fan, but to be fair the comprehensive that was passed was fair in most areas and honestly I’m quite shocked the NC put it together nicely. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to stick to 30/50 unstacking or keep current CBI. The company has created this dispute on scheduling with the union over the years so what do you expect? If we give them an inch they’ll try to take a yard

Originally Posted by DwightSnute (Post 3932473)

The fact that you don't understand that GU is more concerned with his own power and position within Toonsters and that he's using you all as a means to an end is what's shocking. Yes, the company has a long history going back to pre-IBT times of not honoring their agreements. But GU and the IBT is also bad for the G4 pilot group. Both things can be true at the same time.

The NC put together a comprehensive proposal that doesn't look too bad? Great. Your contract expired 4 years ago, this isn't something I'd be very excited about. Meanwhile, you've been working under a substandard contract for the past 9 years, a contract that was courtesy of GU. That's 9 years of lost earnings and lost QOL that you will NOT recover. If you got into the airlines at 23, those 9 years account for 21% of your total airline career, wasted and long gone. All courtesy of GU and his toonsters.

If you can't see that GU is concerned only with GU, that the whole takeover and trusteeship of the new local was likely because GU had a personal vendetta against AR and was ticked that we left his old local, and that things will never change with the toonsters, you are too far separated from reality to make an objective decision about the future of the pilot groups representation. Which is exactly where GU wants you because he knows you'll never have enough votes to decertify and go with ALPA.