actually it’s good advice. So no you should probably stay inside until you learn to respect your elders.

Now is the time to get what we want??? Do you live under a rock?

the time to get what we wanted was in 2023 when attrition was skyrocketing and Maury was flying to AZ to personally meet with Robles. That was leverage. Leverage was spring 2024 when Greg’s cronies were going to show the mediator and NMB that the company was dragging their feet and we had Biden in the white house and Dems at theNMB.

now we have nothing. No leverage. But yeah let’s just tell management all the goodies we want, and if that means we get put on ice for a year or two until JCBA bargaining starts then so be it…

how can pilots still be this naive??? It’s like they just repeat the same talking points the ibt gave them a decade ago as if the world hasn’t changed at all.

In a different context maybe it is good advice. But forgive me if I don’t feel like letting “the NC do their job” when it’s our 5th NC and they’ve been “doing their job” for five years and I’ve personally lost over seven figures of retirement and future earnings because past NC were doing their job.

No, of course not. Problem is, the last NC sabotaged the last 2+ years of negotiations and we don’t have the time to just let this continue to play out. If we weren’t merging with Sun Country and having to do this all over again very very soon, I would say let’s give RJ and his team another 4 years to figure it out. Fact is, we’re going to be back at the table very soon and we’re just waisting time now.

Whoever thinks this will be a grand slam like the old folks told you, you better adjust your expectations now.

holding out for a grand slam will just get us obliterated in SLI arbitration.

He is right about something…I am the adult and he is the child

So we shouldn’t let the NC do their job? That’s a very bizarre position. Maybe you should make that position of yours known at the unions next zoom meeting. I’ll give it to you, you are thinking outside the box; maybe this strategy will work.

The context wasnt blind trust, unquestioned loyalty. The context was don’t set up a laundry line in front of 1201 town center Dr and hang your Shiite stained undies for Bill and Maury to see. The desperation on here lately is sickening and while the frustration is understandable non of us should tolerate the level of absolute hysteria that you can witness reading the last three or four pages of this thread.

You got that right. They sound desperate.

telling people to stop criticizing theNC and just let them “do their job” is no different then scolding people for not trusting the NC or the IBT and to stop questioning them. So yeah, you are absolutely scolding us for not having blind trust and unquestioned loyalty.

If you can’t understand why pilots might not want to critique the NC on internal union forums/chats where we cannot be anonymous then you’ve been living under a rock for the past 7 years.

get us a deal before JCBA starts so we don’t lose another half million and so we don’t get royally f%#@d in SLI