Contract negotiations
05-13-2026 | 05:23 PM
#3541
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Yesterday | 08:11 AM
#3542
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career expectations = rates, retirement, benefits, upgrade.
We would get destroyed at SLI with rates 25% less, retirement is approx a third less. Don’t even get started on work rules, if the arbitrator looks at those we are truly screwed.
you are a fool if you think an arbitrator is gonna credit for our career expectations above SY pilots because we win the “base preferences” contest. Arbitrators go out of their way to stick to objective measures in SLI arbitrations. Rates are the absolute most objective measure because the fleets are the same.
Not saying it’s the only thing they look at but they absolutely look at it. To say that they do “not look at differences in same category pay rates” is blatantly a lie.
We would get destroyed at SLI with rates 25% less, retirement is approx a third less. Don’t even get started on work rules, if the arbitrator looks at those we are truly screwed.
you are a fool if you think an arbitrator is gonna credit for our career expectations above SY pilots because we win the “base preferences” contest. Arbitrators go out of their way to stick to objective measures in SLI arbitrations. Rates are the absolute most objective measure because the fleets are the same.
Not saying it’s the only thing they look at but they absolutely look at it. To say that they do “not look at differences in same category pay rates” is blatantly a lie.
Yesterday | 08:40 AM
#3543
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Theres just no way that its worth taking that risk for a 2 year deal. Take the money and move on.
If it was a 5 year deal on the table, it might be worth it to vote no and try for more. But not here. Too risky to vote no. You have a quick 2 year deal and then jcba next.
If it was a 5 year deal on the table, it might be worth it to vote no and try for more. But not here. Too risky to vote no. You have a quick 2 year deal and then jcba next.
I would have rather seen a 5 year deal that is amendable in 2 years. Or a 2 year deal with an annual % increase until the JCBA is ratified, which could take 5-10 years from today.
The rates are insulting especially coming from the most profitable airline on a margin basis that just had record earnings. This would be a pay cut for a lot that are used to getting premium pay if you include the bonus. Those that have been able to bid specific days off and plan life are going to be shocked when the PBS details come out soon.
Yesterday | 10:39 AM
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if your seniority isn’t important then teamster tom will make sure that the IBT protects us against ALPA in the SLI arbitration.
you do realize ALPA isn’t gonna hold back or take it easy on us, SLI arbitration will be a very contentious to say the least.
Yesterday | 12:33 PM
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of course I’m genuinely concerned/nervous/scared about losing seniority.
if your seniority isn’t important then teamster tom will make sure that the IBT protects us against ALPA in the SLI arbitration.
you do realize ALPA isn’t gonna hold back or take it easy on us, SLI arbitration will be a very contentious to say the least.
if your seniority isn’t important then teamster tom will make sure that the IBT protects us against ALPA in the SLI arbitration.
you do realize ALPA isn’t gonna hold back or take it easy on us, SLI arbitration will be a very contentious to say the least.
Yesterday | 03:45 PM
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I can’t imagine there is much more to tell us. What we have seen is about what we are going to get. I cannot imagine there are nuggets that are going to change my mind. But yes I will look at the final details before making my final decision.
Yesterday | 06:49 PM
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Yesterday | 08:03 PM
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Had to go through IBT attorney's; but, it should be out tomorrow from what I was told.
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