Contract negotiations
Today | 03:01 PM
#3501
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Did you misread the email? We have a deal… a completed deal. That’s what a “agreement in principle” means.
Now they have to put it from mediation notes into actual language and send it to us for a vote. Nothing different than when SWA or Delta got AIP’s. Ask google for some examples.
It may be a garbage deal, but it’s still a deal nonetheless.
Now they have to put it from mediation notes into actual language and send it to us for a vote. Nothing different than when SWA or Delta got AIP’s. Ask google for some examples.
It may be a garbage deal, but it’s still a deal nonetheless.
Today | 03:03 PM
#3502
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Did you misread the email? We have a deal… a completed deal. That’s what a “agreement in principle” means.
Now they have to put it from mediation notes into actual language and send it to us for a vote. Nothing different than when SWA or Delta got AIP’s. Ask google for some examples.
It may be a garbage deal, but it’s still a deal nonetheless.
Now they have to put it from mediation notes into actual language and send it to us for a vote. Nothing different than when SWA or Delta got AIP’s. Ask google for some examples.
It may be a garbage deal, but it’s still a deal nonetheless.
Today | 03:04 PM
#3503
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Just curious.. .When other airlines announce to their pilots an AIP, does it immediately include a bullet list of changes and improvements, or does that follow soon after? I’m not saying that email was stellar by ANY means, but we were notified of an agreement. Now they have to put it all together for us to vote on. Expecting it all at once is short sighted.
Today | 03:06 PM
#3504
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AI Overview Once an airline pilot Agreement in Principle (AIP) is announced, detailed terms typically emerge within a few days to two weeks, as negotiators often have the language ready, though holiday periods can cause delays. In high-stakes cases, initial details can be finalized or leaked quickly, while full contractual language for a ratification vote may take slightly longer.Key Details on AIP Timelines:Negotiation Finalization: If the language is largely written, it can take only days to finalize.Union Process: The Master Executive Council (MEC) usually needs roughly a week to review the details before voting to send it to the rank and file.Drafting & Legal Review: Even with a tentative agreement, drafting the final contract language can take a few "turns" with the company, potentially lasting up to 14 days.
Today | 03:06 PM
#3505
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Just curious.. .When other airlines announce to their pilots an AIP, does it immediately include a bullet list of changes and improvements, or does that follow soon after? I’m not saying that email was stellar by ANY means, but we were notified of an agreement. Now they have to put it all together for us to vote on. Expecting it all at once is short sighted.
Today | 04:21 PM
#3506
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2 years of GU absolutely made us weaker but that I don’t blame RJ because the alternative to GU would have been more Robles and you should know how I feel about him by now. TLDR: Robles and GU are in a mortal deadlock for who did more damage to Allegiant pilots.
there’s too much gray area imo to litigate whether more Robles or GU trusteeship was worse.
i am just talking about January to the present. Since that time RJ did exactly what he was elected to do. The alternative would have been JR, Jay, J Allen, and the GU mafia. RJ is absolutely better. There is no way we would have even gotten PBS done if the old regime were still in power. Never forget the mantra of the old IBT regime is that they are COWARDS. They are terrified of making a deal because they are thin-skinned, hyper sensitive, ego maniacs that would rather do nothing than agree to a deal.
had the Unity team won we would have rolled into JCBA without a bridge/contract, and gotten destroyed at SLI and then JR, Jay and GU would have used their only playbill and screamed that the arbitrator was in management payroll/corrupt and that is why we all lost a decade in a relative seniority to SY pilots.
That is the only game the IBT knows because they are all cowards and too afraid to make a deal. They’d rather just blame others, tell us that the mediators are corrupt, the NMB is corrupt, management is bribing ppl, etc.
I think if RJ gets anything done it will be better than whatever the old regime could have done. It takes real cajones and leaderships to make a decision when all the options suck.
there’s too much gray area imo to litigate whether more Robles or GU trusteeship was worse.
i am just talking about January to the present. Since that time RJ did exactly what he was elected to do. The alternative would have been JR, Jay, J Allen, and the GU mafia. RJ is absolutely better. There is no way we would have even gotten PBS done if the old regime were still in power. Never forget the mantra of the old IBT regime is that they are COWARDS. They are terrified of making a deal because they are thin-skinned, hyper sensitive, ego maniacs that would rather do nothing than agree to a deal.
had the Unity team won we would have rolled into JCBA without a bridge/contract, and gotten destroyed at SLI and then JR, Jay and GU would have used their only playbill and screamed that the arbitrator was in management payroll/corrupt and that is why we all lost a decade in a relative seniority to SY pilots.
That is the only game the IBT knows because they are all cowards and too afraid to make a deal. They’d rather just blame others, tell us that the mediators are corrupt, the NMB is corrupt, management is bribing ppl, etc.
I think if RJ gets anything done it will be better than whatever the old regime could have done. It takes real cajones and leaderships to make a decision when all the options suck.
I get you think of RJs cajones a lot but this bridge isn’t an accomplishment it’s assuredly not what he was elected to do since the merger wasn’t in anyone’s mind at the time…he failed upward into the president position because the alternative was unthinkable and then succeeded in accepting something that’s subpar to what we were offered 2 years ago(mark my words). As far as PBS goes, it’s done because he abandoned the Block award…the damage that will cause is yet to be known. But keep carrying that torch!
Today | 04:29 PM
#3507
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Cmon, yeah cut your nose off to spite your face. There is no way Robles was worse than the trusteeship. Just think of it from a contract perspective…90% of the sections we TA’d were under the previous Eboard. GU and his guys TA’d one or two (that were mostly done when they arrived) and RJ didn’t TA any. Given that math we probably would have been done with this in 2013 if the trusteeship hadn’t happened. Hate Robles if you want to, I don’t think he was perfect either but you have to admit what was done to this pilot group by the IBT probably should be looked at by the DOL for racketeering and fraud and RJ was part of that.
I get you think of RJs cajones a lot but this bridge isn’t an accomplishment it’s assuredly not what he was elected to do since the merger wasn’t in anyone’s mind at the time…he failed upward into the president position because the alternative was unthinkable and then succeeded in accepting something that’s subpar to what we were offered 2 years ago(mark my words). As far as PBS goes, it’s done because he abandoned the Block award…the damage that will cause is yet to be known. But keep carrying that torch!
I get you think of RJs cajones a lot but this bridge isn’t an accomplishment it’s assuredly not what he was elected to do since the merger wasn’t in anyone’s mind at the time…he failed upward into the president position because the alternative was unthinkable and then succeeded in accepting something that’s subpar to what we were offered 2 years ago(mark my words). As far as PBS goes, it’s done because he abandoned the Block award…the damage that will cause is yet to be known. But keep carrying that torch!
Today | 04:38 PM
#3508
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Joined: May 2011
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Did you misread the email? We have a deal… a completed deal. That’s what a “agreement in principle” means.
Now they have to put it from mediation notes into actual language and send it to us for a vote. Nothing different than when SWA or Delta got AIP’s. Ask google for some examples.
It may be a garbage deal, but it’s still a deal nonetheless.
Now they have to put it from mediation notes into actual language and send it to us for a vote. Nothing different than when SWA or Delta got AIP’s. Ask google for some examples.
It may be a garbage deal, but it’s still a deal nonetheless.
While the chances are slim, it could still take months to finalize. Nothing is stopping them from pulling the deal anytime they want. Mediator won't even blink. 6 months from now is holiday 2026......
Today | 04:58 PM
#3510
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Joined: Aug 2008
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From: MD80 CA
We have been at it 5 years or so. There is almost zero chance we will raise any bar. We will be lucky to be a bit closer at the bottom of the pack.
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