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Old 06-06-2023 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
except for a few chasing super seniority in the right seat, without a displacement, why would any existing fo bid for the 737? They’ll be collecting min guarantee for several months as they endure a likely messy training cycle. This will make bottom 50-75% of the 737 in these bases extremely junior (read: new hires with a seat lock). And as has been said, they will be stuck in Sfb or pie for many months as no additional bases are going to open til very late 2024/early 2025.
So is this growth for Sfb and pie or will they shrink the bus fleets in those bases?
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Old 06-06-2023 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
except for a few chasing super seniority in the right seat, without a displacement, why would any existing fo bid for the 737? They’ll be collecting min guarantee for several months as they endure a likely messy training cycle. This will make bottom 50-75% of the 737 in these bases extremely junior (read: new hires with a seat lock). And as has been said, they will be stuck in Sfb or pie for many months as no additional bases are going to open til very late 2024/early 2025.
So is this growth for Sfb and pie or will they shrink the bus fleets in those bases?
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Old 06-06-2023 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LimaF
So is this growth for Sfb and pie or will they shrink the bus fleets in those bases?
an airline can’t grow when they are continually negative pilots month over month. What is likely is they will do vacancies for the 737 and not backfill any secondary vacancies from the 320 in these bases, letting things shrink naturally. Those without seat locks will naturally begin bidding over to the 737 so as to retain or improve their seniority. If someone who lives in Sfb happens to get las 320, they will be seat locked and won’t be able to get Sfb 737 for 2 years and there may likely be zero Sfb 320 vacancies. On the flip side, someone who lives in LAS gets SFB 737 and they’re stuck commuting to the east coast for 2 years.

this is not at all a commuter friendly airline.
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Old 06-06-2023 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
an airline can’t grow when they are continually negative pilots month over month. What is likely is they will do vacancies for the 737 and not backfill any secondary vacancies from the 320 in these bases, letting things shrink naturally. Those without seat locks will naturally begin bidding over to the 737 so as to retain or improve their seniority. If someone who lives in Sfb happens to get las 320, they will be seat locked and won’t be able to get Sfb 737 for 2 years and there may likely be zero Sfb 320 vacancies. On the flip side, someone who lives in LAS gets SFB 737 and they’re stuck commuting to the east coast for 2 years.

this is not at all a commuter friendly airline.
I have a feeling the company now realizes what a mistake the 737 program is.....they could've sucked it up and accepted the fact the NEO was in the future and stayed with one fleet type and skipped all the logistical challenges they're about to face. Allegiant doesn't need to add aircraft to the fleet since they're basically treading water growth-wise.
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Old 06-06-2023 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
I have a feeling the company now realizes what a mistake the 737 program is.....they could've sucked it up and accepted the fact the NEO was in the future and stayed with one fleet type and skipped all the logistical challenges they're about to face. Allegiant doesn't need to add aircraft to the fleet since they're basically treading water growth-wise.
None of that matters anymore as we are shrinking to excellence.
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Old 06-06-2023 | 09:50 PM
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The mgmt at allegiant is the most self-adulating and vindictive in the industry and they’ve driven the company into a dead-end since the pandemic. A new contract at this point won’t fix anything. It’s a sinking ship that cannot be rescued, I feel bad for everyone - especially for the former xjet asa midex etc guys who’ve seen this before and must have a very dreadful feeling of dejavu.
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Old 06-07-2023 | 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
The mgmt at allegiant is the most self-adulating and vindictive in the industry and they’ve driven the company into a dead-end since the pandemic. A new contract at this point won’t fix anything. It’s a sinking ship that cannot be rescued, I feel bad for everyone - especially for the former xjet asa midex etc guys who’ve seen this before and must have a very dreadful feeling of dejavu.
Well the company just outsmarted the union (again).

Amature hour in AZ by the looks of it. Hold the line, red kitchen lighting - there, that should do it!

I will gladly pay you next Tuesday for a hamburger today. By the way, if you leave before next Tuesday, you get nothing.
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Old 06-07-2023 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Be Realistic
Well the company just outsmarted the union (again).

Amature hour in AZ by the looks of it. Hold the line, red kitchen lighting - there, that should do it!

I will gladly pay you next Tuesday for a hamburger today. By the way, if you leave before next Tuesday, you get nothing.
Can I assume you’re referring to the “retention bonus”? I’m really trying to understand why this was agreed to. Is there something in relation to the NMB? And why since May 1st? Why not since January of 2022?
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Old 06-07-2023 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Chow
Can I assume you’re referring to the “retention bonus”? I’m really trying to understand why this was agreed to. Is there something in relation to the NMB? And why since May 1st? Why not since January of 2022?
It doesn't get paid until there is a contract signed so what's the difference? This bonus, plus the bonus the entire company gets for performance, plus retro pay. They want to give us free money at some future date, probably 2 years from now, I won't stand in their way.
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Old 06-07-2023 | 05:34 AM
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The only reason the company is talking to the mediator and the pilot group is because they want pilots to stay, and pilots to come here. In the last couple years there have been 3 massive mistakes by AR and his crew:

1) 4th July 2021 - premium pay for pick up which helped only the top 30% who happened to be senior enough to have that day off.
2) Spring 2022 - signed agreement with BF to say we will negotiate hard to get a contract.
3) Summer 2023 - retention bonus. Get paid in x years at the rate that should be paid for work you do today at sub standard rates but only if you stay for 2 months beyond the imaginary contract signing

All of these seek to stem the attrition during the busy summer months when wx impacts the operation where it shows that 9 pilots per aircraft is insufficient staffing. The union walks blindly in to these deals every time and pretends they know what they are doing. If 10 pilots delay their departure, 1 month that helps keeping 1 aircraft in the air for another 90 flights, which is more $$$ in the company pockets.

The union is showing that they are out of their depth.
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