if you actually understand the legal process involved you would understand why we are arbitrating it again. The award was narrow and only applied to HDMWD, the company says they changed CBI to comply and took us to court so they didn’t have to comply.

they lost in court and we now have a judge Re-affirming the arbitrators interpretation which makes it part of our CBA. We are now taking that iron clad and vetted interpretation and applying it to how the entire bid process works with a much wider ranging grievance and language.

End of July and you’ll be eating your words Nate

The whole thing is about must work days. The first arbitration was about must work days. The union already agreed in writing back February that they are not challenging must work days for the arbitration in July. So what are we talking about here??

if the union is not trying to make must work days go away then what is it about?

And there’s no way this gets resolved by the end of July - it will be 2027 or 2028. The first PBS arbitration was in 2019 and that didn’t resolved with the 9th circuit until a couple months ago. AR has filled y’all with false hope and kool aid once again… end of July hahahaha. Best joke I’ve heard all day 310.

We drink the kool aid because we try to be positive? You’re just a ****ing ****. Take your negativity and shove it straight up your ass; we have to deal with enough **** from working here so we don’t need your bull**** pessimism about absolutely everything. *******.

How about just trying to be realistic instead of being disappointed when the end of July comes and management is still using their “solver” to build your schedule?

Our lives will get better and we’ll get better schedules when we have an industry standard PBS like Nav or Jepp. AR’s magic wand cannot make the “solver” deliver good schedules. This is the same “solver” he authorized a strike for. Go back and read his union updates from 2017-2020 all the talk about PBS was how the company’s in house solver was garbage and had to be replaced by a real PBS.

Let me say it again: we called a strike because of the “solver” in 2018 and now AR is saying this same “solver” is gonna be the answer for an industry standard scheduling system??? Wake up y’all, this is how AR stays in power. He’s got us chasing our tails.

but go ahead and ignore the last 6 years and keep waiting for AR to make some magic happen - I thought the goal was industry standard.

AR isn’t saying CBI will be the solution if we win the arbitration. it will be greatly improved and provide huge quality of life impact if it is forced to award in seniority order. AR and KS have CBI and are able to play with it and see how it awards without HDMWD and being forced to follow seniority. It gives schedules that are bid for and no more junior people getting days off that senior people want.

with all of that said, the main purpose of this is by winning the grievance, the company has to use CBI until a CBA is negotiated. If we win the grievance and the company has to turn off the HDMWD function, they will need to have 20% more pilots to fly the schedule they have already sold for the holidays.

guess what, we can’t hire and train 210 pilots by December, but we can get a CBA and switch to NAV blue which would let them fly the schedule they sold with the pilots they have by being more efficient and eliminating composite lines.

What about the part where the union stipulated that the July arbitration is not challenging HDMWD? The union already agreed to that in February. Oh wait AR forgot to mention that part to the masses but it’s write there in a stipulated award signed by R Joseph that the union cannot challenge HDMWD in the July arbitration. Explain that one away hahaha…

Also, we won’t know until 2027 or 2028 if we actually “win” this arbitration. Management will appeal and play all the legal games just like before. He is selling us a bill of goods that doesn’t exist to maintain his power like all politicians do.

but go ahead and see, end of July will come and pass and nothing will change. December will come and pass and nothing will change. We aren’t gonna an answer to this thing for at least six months and then after that it will be 3 years if management does the legal appeals. AR will continue to build his fiefdom and maintain power every step of the way.

July 5th
 

What are we trying to achieve with the July 5th hearing? I mean, how will this help is in our current negotiations if we win and how could it hurt us if we lose? If we win, can the company continue to appeal and draw this out indefinitely ?
Also, I saw an email from the company saying they passed section 3 compensation. Does that mean the company just handed over a stack of paperwork with their proposals or does that mean the company and Union have agreed to section 3? I didn’t see anything about it being TA’d so I’m curious on the language used.

yes we are not specifically targeting HDMWD because that was already arbitrated. We are grieving HDDDO as well as the overall schedule awarding process. The problem with the first grievance was how narrow we were asking. Now we are applying the language to how everything is awarded in regard to CBI. If you want to think there is some grand conspiracy, keep on keeping on Nate, the only one you are making miserable is yourself

section 3 was not passed.

if you actually work here reference the union page and BFs latest negotiation email to know what happened during the last negotiation session.

if you work here you can also go to the union website and listen to the latest quarterly call and everything about the July arbitration and it’s importance to negotiations can be found in that recording

grand conspiracy?? I’m just saying history repeats itself. What has happened the last 5 years with CBI and arbitration/litigation will continue to happen the next 5 years with CBI and arbitration/litigation.

keep drinking the kool aid bro if you want. But I’m at least gonna be realistic instead you preaching that our lives will be dramatically better by the end of July hahaha