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Originally Posted by ronnyjon81
(Post 3654180)
Ah, we've finally cracked the code. I doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you are. Does AR know he's got guys from his own clown show on APC when he himself said why would they waste the time? It's great to see you spend more time here and in the facebook comments than anywhere else. Great to see our union dues are hard at work. I'll do you a favor, I'm certainly not management. We've flown the line together. Now that that's out of the way, onto the good stuff.
You and your hefe keep blabbing on about this huge arbitration come July, just like you all have the previous 3 times it's been in court. What happens each time? We win, then what happens you ask? Oh, the company challenges it legally once again. It's this continual cycle that you all just use as a calling card. It's amazing to see you progress on these forums. Nate is spot on, the goal post has kept moving and I presume that isn't something we're going to see change any time soon. AR is a politician, one who can only dream of having the lure and power of Mr. Hoffa himself. He'd love to send his goons after all those who question him, but unfortunately those days have come and gone. Now the best he can do is load the FB page with his keyboard warrior "goons" who quickly jump on whichever poor soul dare questions the steering of the ship. AR has been in power for coming on 6 years, we have absolutely no results from him. I would love to see someone give me an emotionless list in response to this of his achievements, but instead I bet you'll burn off your finger tips labeling me the new TT or some other c-suite member. We need a contract yesterday, that much is black and white. The concern only grows that AR isn't able to pull this off. He just isn't capable of giving us the win that we truly deserve. Every day that ticks past is money out of each of our paychecks, it's also another day where we have to suffer through this hell of a contract. There are a lot of must haves in this new contract, but we are certainly not Delta, AA or UAL. I implore some of you keyboard goons to go and actually read through their contracts, see how much of it truly doesn't apply to our model. I don't negotiate in public but it sure is time for the union to start listening to their constitutes and go after the things we prioritized. It's time for the **** measuring contest to end. We need results now. There is absolutely no reason we can't grow during these times, AR, you claim you don't read this but we know you do. STOP PLAYING GAMES, it's childish. Lay your ego to the side, roll up your sleeves and get to work. I have never met anyone in a leadership position who is so deep under the water, they start refusing the offer of help. WE ALL want to see this be successful, there are 1000 of us who will tirelessly work to help achieve what we and the company deserve, use us! Communicate with us, this whole "blind trust" calling card needs to go away for good. We had blind trust when we voted you in as president, time to validate and further earn our trust. Keep fighting the good fight Nate, you're the voice of the quiet 90% of this pilot group on these forums. These AR worshippers are so lost in drinking and serving the koolaid they'll probably call out fatigued. |
Originally Posted by tom11011
(Post 3654448)
What would you change if given the power to do so?
Communication: the lack of communication from our EXCO is truly unacceptable. I'm uncertain if they expect us to continue this "blind faith" that they keep advocating for. If that’s the case, they need to realize that we’re not the typical IBT local, most of us are highly educated. Blind faith may be a bit easier to garner with a group of blue-collar truckers or baristas. The exco has had members of their own local offer to help provide communication, only for AR himself to say “That would be one additional meeting I need to hold, I don’t have the time.”. What union begs for help but then immediately denies it where it is desperately needed. Grieve Everything: AR has a few calling cards; this is a big one. The local advocates for grieving absolutely anything. Do we have a regularly violated CBA that leads to numerous grievances? Yes. Do we have some pilots grieving frivolous items just to add to the list? Of course, we do. There should be much more emphasis placed on grievances of substance. In addition to this, our track record of grievances losses is egregious. We have lost some must-wins lately. Wins that would be all but guaranteed by having proper representation, not culinary attorneys. Clear Negotiating: Before you “educate” me on the negotiating process, I’ve been at the table at an ALPA carrier dozens of times. I understand the clear line between acceptable transparency and letting in too much light into the process. Do any of us even know what AR is after? The rumor mill is turning quicker than our attrition, the latest product is that AR has suddenly abandoned the need for NavBlue stating that CBI works, we just need them to honor seniority. Well duh, it doesn’t matter what we use to bid, PBS is PBS but what good is it if we can’t get the company to honor what we already have in place? What good has the fight been the last 4+ years to desperately walk away from CBI if we suddenly are okay with CBI? I’m jumping back on the boat, let me know what you think Tom! |
Originally Posted by ronnyjon81
(Post 3654180)
Ah, we've finally cracked the code. .
I am no AR fan. I have criticized him in the past - his rookie mistakes are plentiful. However, he is all there is in the game right now - can't replace him or his gang for another 18 months or so. Therefore I suggest everyone get behind him until 6 months before his slate is up, then judge him by results. At that point it is out for AR if he cant deliver. He's not Jimmy Hoffer. |
Originally Posted by ronnyjon81
(Post 3654699)
The rumor mill is turning quicker than our attrition, the latest product is that AR has suddenly abandoned the need for NavBlue stating that CBI works, we just need them to honor seniority. Well duh, it doesn’t matter what we use to bid, PBS is PBS but what good is it if we can’t get the company to honor what we already have in place? What good has the fight been the last 4+ years to desperately walk away from CBI if we suddenly are okay with CBI?
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Originally Posted by tom11011
(Post 3654448)
What would you change if given the power to do so?
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
(Post 3655164)
……. ..ALPA
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
(Post 3655164)
……. ..ALPA
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Originally Posted by 310skying
(Post 3653785)
Our average time for an arbitrators decision is 1-3 months after the hearing. The real wait is even waiting for the hearing. We have been waiting for this arbitration for over 2 years. We will have an arbitrators decision on PBS 2 by the mid to end of September at the latest (more likely end of July to to August) after that the union will be requesting a 30-60 day compliance window. So yes the arbitration will be in effect before December if we win.
310 no way we get an arbitration decision by December - when will you stop drinking the AR koolaid? You know why i am always right? Because I stopped drinking the AR kool aid. The man doesn’t walk on water, in fact, he has no clue what he is doing - he is flying by the seat of his pants with no long term plan. the sooner you realize that there is no strategy, no plan, just spitting whatever he thinks we want to hear. He’s had 6 six years in full control and all he’s done is blame the company, blame the old regime (1224), blame the arbitrators, etc. never once has he made a mistake - just ask him! |
Originally Posted by ronnyjon81
(Post 3655796)
Industry standard unions produce industry standard contracts...
why does anybody here think the most inexperienced and arguably dysfunctional union in the industry will produce an industry leading contract??? |
Originally Posted by captnate702
(Post 3662246)
Might as well put it on a stone tablet.
why does anybody here think the most inexperienced and arguably dysfunctional union in the industry will produce an industry leading contract??? People scoff at MG when he talks about how G4 is different and it doesn’t matter what other airlines have in contract language. They should not ignore him. He’s telling us that he will never sign a mainline deal. He will pay but that’s it… There is no magic bullet that will make him sign the deal G4 union leadership has promised. No union can force a deal management is unwilling to sign. |
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