I'm out, man, have at it.
I was quite literally trying to end that last post somewhat upbeat and encourage you to post something positive or funny. Somewhat of a truce. I mean, you did brag that this is what you do while flying the line.

Have a good day, buddy. I'll see you out there on the line. I'm looking forward to your awkward "no eye contact" chit-chat.

 

Bye bye Dave. You can't answer my questions and all the other guy has is "nuh uh" your wrong. Peace.

 

Just confirmed with another FA on that trip, there was NO smoke in the cabin or cockpit. NO FIRE indications of any kind from the airplane. He blew the bottles into BOTH engines and did an evac. Maybe he should have shut the engine down that had "black smoke" coming out of the tailpipe and the so called fire would have gone out.

I've heard from multiple sources that CFR DID indeed tell him to hold off on the evac. You can't document that it didn't happen and I can't document that it did. Your word against mine.

But the smoke in the cockpit and cabin is seriously and credibly DEBUNKED so the rest of your opinion hangs with it.

The guy had a smell.....that's it. Did an overweight landing, sat on the taxiway for a long time with NO indications of any problems OF ANY KIND on the airplane, much less a fire.

From the day this happened everyone I know, besides D.P. was saying this guy screwed up. You think it's me? You think that's speaking out of both sides of my mouth?


How do you defend this? Pick better battles. The dude evacuated a perfectly good airplane, NO SMOKE, NO ENGINE FIRE INDICATIONS, NO BELLS, NO WHISTLES.......no indication of any kind. So I should come to his rescue and say that he did the right thing?

The MD-80 is an old airplane, it makes funny noises and has funny smells, creaks, moans and groans....but it WILL tell you if there is a fire in the engine, the tailcone, the lavs and the FAs can see it in the cabin. It was a bad move. Stop acting like Allegiant was in the wrong to fire him.

 

You really are a tool Mr. Magoo... a big time tool.

 

CFR never once told him to hold off. They informed him of smoke coming from the left engine. That's it. He had no intention of an evac until that point, combined with the fact CFR wouldn't reply to his numerous calls after that fact. Someone said one time on frequency "to hold off on the evac", but no one was ever able to confirm who that was. The GOM specifically states to consider an evac for fire or suspected fire. He had just air returned for a burning smell and then CFR informs you of smoke from the left engine. Then CFR goes NORDO and now he has to make a decision based on what he knows at that point. Maybe in hindsight the evac wasn't required, but I'm not going to second guess this crew and their decision. He followed our GOM and was fired for it.

 

I will also agree with the above. First time posting about my experience here as a relatively new hire. I came here to move to base after commuting for half a decade. This airline is so different from any other airline I've worked for in many ways both good and bad. The day trips are great and I've had multiple groups of 4 consecutive days off in the same month but only in the slow months. Bidding reserve and living in base has been too easy since I've average 2-3 calls a month. In the busy months everybody works and it's hard to get a lot of days off if you aren't in the top 20% of your base since there are lots of low time day trips but I live close to the airport and I don't mind an easy 6 hour duty day when I'm use to busting out 11-12 hr work days daily on 4 day trips. I can't speak for the MD80 or 757 but I had a good experience with training on the airbus and felt well prepared for the oral and checkride (nobody from my class busted).
Some of the work rules here are just straight laughable but I did my homework before I came here and I knew what I was getting into. The TDY is exaggerated on the forums but there really is no excuse for it and yes a few people have been hit hard with it for multiple months. With all the movement new hires don't have to worry about it more than a month or two but you have to be careful about planning your upgrade so you aren't the bottom CA or two in base to avoid it.
Overall I am very pleased with my decision and haven't looked back for a second. All of the captains I have flown with are great and optimistic about a new contract. I am young and will let management decide if this will be a career stay for me by whether we have a new contract or not in a reasonable amount of time. If you want to fly a triple 7 and make 300k this isn't the place for you. As long as you don't try to commute, coming here can pay off big if a new contract arrives and you like being home every night.

 

Saying "In hindsight the evac wasn't required" is second guessing him. Of course it wasn't required. Let's discuss more options. He sat there for a long time and didn't ever think to just shut the engine down normally and then wait to see the outcome? What would you really have done? Second guessing is our nature, our training is full of second guessing other pilots and learning.

 

This is your reply to my post? Is that really all you have after I laid out my case? No reply to any of my points?

Thanks for verifying to everyone on APC that you have nothing else to defend your position with. He should not have evacuated a perfectly good airplane, you know it, I know it.

 

Are there tapes of this? We have the bingo Baden ATC tapes but nothing here? That would clear this up real quick.

The GOM says "consider" an evacuation but considering and reacting are two different things. Like I said previous, we should consider other options also. We have multiple ways to indicate fire on an airplane and one source that went NORDO isn't a hard case source.

If there really was a fire, CFR would have been fighting it and communicating.

 

Hey Shiek-
I just gave the Captain your number and told him about your tabloid style news reports. You can take it up with him so that we can have all have a break from your gaping, trash talking mouth.

You like apples? How about dem apples?