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Originally Posted by Xbone
(Post 1595798)
This is G4 management. They do what they want. When they want. No contract, no consequences. That’s why they employ Ford&Harrison, g4’s shadow H.R. department. To help keep the good times rolling.
But, but...they don't want a 3rd party to come between management and the pilots..... |
Originally Posted by Uncle Wurmy
(Post 1595816)
But, but...they don't want a 3rd party to come between management and the pilots.....
G4’s propaganda campaign, as comical as “baghdad bob”. |
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Originally Posted by AZbound
(Post 1595784)
41 TDYs, which is roughly 10% of the pilot group. This is not likely to get better any time soon as they are SO far behind in staffing due to the training department shut down/sim shutdown/attrition. Oh, and of course the government shutdown..😒
It was interesting to hear various management types in recurrent gloss over the actual reasons, why staffing got so bad. They stay focused on what won’t agitate their obtuse masters. Ode for a coffee corner.. |
Originally Posted by Thunderpig
(Post 1594817)
Well, when the majors are still not hiring in numbers everyone would like, wouldn't you agree that Allegiant is quite a bit better than any regional? Full disclosure, I had to delay my class for family issues and am waiting on a class.
Depends on the regional and depends on your seniority at that regional. When I left XJT for AAY (mind you this was almost 4 years ago) I was pretty senior could easily get almost everything I wanted in a schedule (days off, commutability etc) When I went to AAY it was this way for a little while. When I first started even reserve wasn't so bad. As the schedules at AAY got worse so did QOL, there were some months (that I was commuting I know my choice) that I was home 4-5 days a month. That's it. Sure if I had moved to base it would have been better, but at that point my schedules at XJT were looking like puppy dogs and lollipop's compared to AAY. I was lucky and never got TDY'd but I know of plenty who have. I will also say this (maybe the guys who live in base could chime in too) but the schedules (at least 6 months ago) at AAY will burn you out, there is only so much to be said for being home every night when you work 6 days a week. So again, depends on the regional and where you are on the seniority list if a regional is better than allegiant. |
Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
(Post 1595985)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderpig Well, when the majors are still not hiring in numbers everyone would like, wouldn't you agree that Allegiant is quite a bit better than any regional? Full disclosure, I had to delay my class for family issues and am waiting on a class. I'm not often on here, but felt the need to answer the question is a regional better than allegiant? Depends on the regional and depends on your seniority at that regional. When I left XJT for AAY (mind you this was almost 4 years ago) I was pretty senior could easily get almost everything I wanted in a schedule (days off, commutability etc) When I went to AAY it was this way for a little while. When I first started even reserve wasn't so bad. As the schedules at AAY got worse so did QOL, there were some months (that I was commuting I know my choice) that I was home 4-5 days a month. That's it. Sure if I had moved to base it would have been better, but at that point my schedules at XJT were looking like puppy dogs and lollipop's compared to AAY. I was lucky and never got TDY'd but I know of plenty who have. I will also say this (maybe the guys who live in base could chime in too) but the schedules (at least 6 months ago) at AAY will burn you out, there is only so much to be said for being home every night when you work 6 days a week. So again, depends on the regional and where you are on the seniority list if a regional is better than allegiant. This is all 100% accurate. Looking at the lines at Great Lakes, they are better than the ones at G4. That should say something. |
Originally Posted by AZbound
(Post 1596026)
This is all 100% accurate. Looking at the lines at Great Lakes, they are better than the ones at G4. That should say something.
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Yep. Hired in 2004 & upgraded to CA in 11 months. Just finished 6 days on with one day off before I resume my two on one off / two off max. through March 31st. Major mx issues & scheduling issues beyond belief.
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Most people don't mind putting up with crappy schedules and working conditions because they know, eventually, it will improve as they gain seniority. The problem with Allegiant is that things DO NOT get better with seniority. The QOL was better when I was hired, almost 9 years ago. You will find yourself with no reward for your hard work and sacrifice and with absolutely nothing to look forward to. To all prospective pilots, please stay at your current company and wait for a good LCC or legacy. When we get a new contract and you are still looking for a job, we'd love to have you. Until then, look elsewhere. You will be hurting yourself and everyone who works here by lining up to work at this circus.
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Originally Posted by INXS
(Post 1596085)
Yep. Hired in 2004 & upgraded to CA in 11 months. Just finished 6 days on with one day off before I resume my two on one off / two off max. through March 31st. Major mx issues & scheduling issues beyond belief.
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
(Post 1595364)
I feel like maybe a little perspective is needed. I'm no koolaide drinker or company cheerleder but at the same time we need to realize Allegiant management are no different or worse than pretty near every other airline management team in the industry. You might check out the "Delta Stock Buyback- Round 2" thread in this forum, or ask an America West pilot about Doug Parker. American, Spirit, United, etc. Same sad story. The differemce is those folks have contracts - otherwise I assure you they'd be pulling the same $h!t they're doing at Allegiant.
Allegiant pilots need to stay focused on the goal. And remember - it's just business; not personal. Is DAL's mgmt supposed to benevolently give pilots raises instead of stock buybacks? Apparently not as the mgt works for the BOD, the pilots work for the MGT. Section 6 is opening soon, and all the stock buybacks will have been documented. AY pilots do need to keep their eye on the ball and organize and demand a safe, efficiently run airline in their first contract. The way to get rid of TDY's is to make them expensive for the company. |
Any new words on what is going on with the training department?
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It's open...........for now.
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Is Allegiant currently hiring pilots
Sooo, who's going to bid the 4 month long TDY to MYR with shared accommodations??!
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Originally Posted by AZbound
(Post 1612154)
Sooo, who's going to bid the 4 month long TDY to MYR with shared accommodations??!
Enjoy your home every night lifestyle newhires! Thanks Myrtle Beach for making shared condominiums a part of the bid to get us to fly there! Never mind asking the pilots what they want or following the contract. |
Just curious..... is there any other airline out there, including regionals, who have shared accomodations on overnights?
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Classy move G4. Proud member of a very united group of pilots :cool:
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So has any else seen the anti union dribble MG put out? 4400 word contracts? Apparently he doesn't understand contracts appear "inches thick" so their easy to hold and keep in a pocket, brief case, etc. Finally, he thinks contracts take an army of lawyers to interpret; the airline CBAs I've seen are easy to read and understand. Nothing complex about that.
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Does "sharing accommodations" mean you guys share a hotel room?
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
(Post 1612281)
Just curious..... is there any other airline out there, including regionals, who have shared accomodations on overnights?
Unbelievable that you are guys have to do that. Just...wow. |
Originally Posted by Learflyer
(Post 1612421)
Does "sharing accommodations" mean you guys share a hotel room?
The crappy part is that this TDY costs the company nothing, except $1 per hour per diem:rolleyes: but costs many of the pilots and flight attendants a lot. Very frustrating and the reason why we need a real contract, and fast! |
Ah forget about it, changed my mind. Will not be applying to this place anytime soon.
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For this TDY the city of Myrtle Beach is providing two bedroom/two bathroom condos to Allegiant as part of the "deal" to get Allegiant to fly in there this summer. |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1612506)
The $1/hr per diem doesn't sound good obviously, but your own room and own bath doesn't sound bad at all. Though still inadequate, if the condo has a fully furnished kitchen, you will at least not spend as much in food if you are able to buy some groceries for yourself.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 1612509)
I think the problem is that Allegiant always had the rep of "home every night" scheduling. That's why this TDY stuff has guys upset.
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Originally Posted by grnclvrs
(Post 1612573)
No, the problem is that I have to agree to put up with your wife/kids/girlfriend for however long you decide they need to stay with you or risk having a crappy living and working situation for 4 months.
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Are they giving you guys cars to use also? Seems like you'd need a car on a long-term TDY.
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Originally Posted by dirtysidedown
(Post 1612494)
Ah forget about it, changed my mind. Will not be applying to this place anytime soon.
Wise move. The best reason to come to G4 is the 320 type. Then go shop that over at Spirit, JetBlue etc. Of course that entails using G4 as a stepping-stone, which is a good move, if you need it. But, if you are able to bypass a lateral progression then, definitely don’t come here. G4 is not a career, it’s a job. From where I sit there are only two ways this company becomes a career: Job action, via a lock out. Or we get merged with a better company. It’s an oddball operation that really doesn’t fit any other place well. So, I think the latter is unlikely. A contract will only make things better, possibly even eliminating TDY’s by making them cost prohibitive for the company. Things like that will improve. But, the first contract here is going to be ugly and hard fought. Even after a contract is eventually signed, we will still be bottom of the pack for pay and quality of life. Then it will be a compliance problem. G4 management will never stop actively trying to circumvent it, with the help of their third party vendor; Ford & Harrison. It’s in their “DNA”. Even with a contract in place, it will be difficult to describe G4 as a career destination. |
Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 1612509)
I think the problem is that Allegiant always had the rep of "home every night" scheduling. That's why this TDY stuff has guys upset.
This is true. But, it has been difficult to use this mantra the last 3 years or so. Now, the TDY’s are here to stay, according to our senatorial leader, who is from “Brand X”. Strange thing, our good senator likes to compare us to “Brand X”, a legacy airline by the way. “We had TDY’s at Brand X”. The inference is, were an airline like “Brand X”, so you guys just gotta deal. Interesting comparison by our good senator. Were an “Airline” like he had it at “Brand X”, and not a travel company, when it suits his needs. Forget the fact that “Brand X” had a contract at least commensurate with other “Brand X’s”. |
I'd kind of like to know who "Brand X" is. I've never heard of a major airline that did TDYs. I thought that was just a military thing.
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They don't except in unusual circumstances. At G4 it's part of the staffing plan.
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And now we have the myr tdy. The love is going by-coastal. Florida was somewhat insulated from the tdy’s. There was some chap on here who was ok with the current state of affairs; heck he was from florida anyway.
Wait till you see that schedule. |
Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 1612608)
I'd kind of like to know who "Brand X" is. I've never heard of a major airline that did TDYs. I thought that was just a military thing.
The "Brand X" that our dearly beloved VP of Ops comes from is NWA. |
Originally Posted by j3cub
(Post 1612662)
The "Brand X" that our dearly beloved VP of Ops comes from is NWA.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 1612509)
I think the problem is that Allegiant always had the rep of "home every night" scheduling. That's why this TDY stuff has guys upset.
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The TDY may not sound bad, if you don't mind getting Tuesday, Wednesday, and Saturday off. That means no commuting. I also don't think they are providing transportation to and from the airport to the condo, so you'd have to take your own car.
Of course $24/day per diem isn't going to buy you a lot of meal options, unless you like living on Ramen noodles. I wonder if the condo has cable tv or internet? The company would probably deduct that from your pay if you want to use it. I don't know if the TDY's will necessarily come from the Florida bases. They have been understaffed for years, so it could be a case of more West Coast people being forced East. I bet what they'll do is TDY people from the Florida bases to MYR, and then TDY people from the West Coast to cover the Florida bases. That makes perfect sense! |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1612746)
I was just commenting that if you were TDY, a condo with private room and bath is pretty darn nice - and certainly compared to some of my previous TDY/TAD billeting assignments! YIKES! :)
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I think they are counting on the recent bunch of new hires to be done by May, as well as a backlog of upgrades. There's your MYR staffing.
The west coast bases will be needed to staff what will be a fairly sizeable seasonal re-opening of LAX. |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1612746)
I was just commenting that if you were TDY, a condo with private room and bath is pretty darn nice - and certainly compared to some of my previous TDY/TAD billeting assignments! YIKES! :)
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I dont agree at all where this "shared" living TDY is going. Having said that, for someone who is single and versatile, you could save a lot of rent money over the summer by living in said condos, and having a kitchen would be just like eating at home so you could pocket your TDY pittance that they offer. I am really tired of their double standards though. God forbid they let go of a few bucks of their $100 million stock buyback to make their employees a little happier. I wonder if the 3 ghosts will ever visit upper management as in "A Christmas Carol?!"
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