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drahotad 08-27-2014 12:12 PM

Eagle offspring. . I am also an 8 yr rj fo at a dying airline and interviewed yesterday. I can answer any questions if u wanna pm me.

AZbound 08-27-2014 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by EALOFFSPRING (Post 1713764)
This is my first post on the APC forums. I was avoiding joining but needed to reach out to you Allegiant folks.

I filled out the application and I have read the disclaimer on here about the work rules. My wife and I (and two kids) want to move to an area 10 mins from the PIE airport, and being at home every night is very attractive to us.

1) Is PIE fairly junior?

2) I'm a 7-year FO at expressjet. I have @4300TT, 0 TPIC and no degree(I'm working on it). Is that competitive at Allegiant?

3) I am at least 2 years from upgrade. Should I make the jump?

Do not come here because you think you will see your family more - you won't. People are leaving in order to see their families more. To give you an idea, over the past 3-4 years, 3 'Mom FOs' with newborns have left (for other Airlines) because they actually want to see their children on occasion. :rolleyes:

flyingpuma1 08-27-2014 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by EALOFFSPRING (Post 1713764)

2) I'm a 7-year FO at expressjet.


I can't answer any of the questions accurately since I am no longer at aay. But I came from XJT as well and (besides pay, which is better at aay) EVERYTHING else is worse, health insurance, home time, xjt contract (currently) way better. If your wife has good ins and doesn't mind not seeing you much it might not be a bad move, but honestly even if you are "lucky" enough not to get HOM/TDY (whatever they want to call it) working 6 days in a row is exhausting, then add broken planes and scheduling into the mix. I had a buddy who had been at xjt 6 years and just left to go to compass....

Swedish Blender 08-27-2014 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by dawgdriver (Post 1713528)
Performance numbers look great on paper, but we all know they represent ideal conditions and test pilots. This guy was new, considered the challenges of the environment and his own limitations/experience. He made the call I would have wanted with my family on board. We should be commending him for his steadfast decision-making, judgement and conservative approach. I would love to see the FAA response to a guy like that getting terminated for solid judgement.

I don't know what the performance for the MD-80 says. Is there a penalty for manual spoilers?

I understand the argument about ideal conditions, etc, but where does it stop?

Would you turn it down for crosswinds approaching the limit? I'm mean, your not a test pilot and it's not perfect conditions. What about the T/Rs being inop?

What if everything is working but he is still not comfortable with the margin? In my flight sim today, I had a 404 foot stopping margin if rejected at V1. That's doing everything perfect. Good thing I sit in a comfy office chair.

UGBSM 08-27-2014 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by labbats (Post 1712982)
One brand new captain recently refused to take an airplane into Roanoke because the auto spoilers were inop. How do you suppose that conversation went?
Think that one over.

Uhhhh...

"Go ahead, it'll be like flying the B727."

Followed by... "I know you are a brand new captain, but how old are you again?"

Hovernut 08-27-2014 02:56 PM

I think there is enough hiring going on right now that time on reserve will be fairly short...'till the music stops! The Dec and Jan classes from this past year are mostly lineholders now, and a few are actually CA upgrades to a bona-fide base, as well as the HOM (TDY) base. A NH will likely get TDY'd around a bit 'till the next class comes online for you to bid out to a regular base.

EALOFFSPRING 08-27-2014 03:37 PM

How frequent, and how large are the classes?

dawgdriver 08-27-2014 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 1714036)
I don't know what the performance for the MD-80 says. Is there a penalty for manual spoilers?

I understand the argument about ideal conditions, etc, but where does it stop?

Would you turn it down for crosswinds approaching the limit? I'm mean, your not a test pilot and it's not perfect conditions. What about the T/Rs being inop?

What if everything is working but he is still not comfortable with the margin? In my flight sim today, I had a 404 foot stopping margin if rejected at V1. That's doing everything perfect. Good thing I sit in a comfy office chair.

I believe there's a place in management for you! When can you start?

eagleatr 08-27-2014 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 1714036)
I don't know what the performance for the MD-80 says. Is there a penalty for manual spoilers?

Yes there is a penalty for manual spoilers. Don't remember what is.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I don't trust our dispatchers to figure out our landing performance.

A couple years ago, I found myself in a similar situation. We were supposed to go to an airport with an 8,000' runway. The only way in was an ILS, to minimums, at night, with a 10 knot tailwind. Ordinarily, not to bit of a deal, except for the braking action was poor due to snow and ice. My very "helpful" dispatcher had calculated we only needed 7,500' to land and stop, which included a 15% safety margin factored in to the number for which I don't really remember why. According to the tables in the book and QRH, under our anticipated landing weight, braking conditions, and the tailwind, I came up with closer to 11,000'.

We didn't go. The dispatcher got really unhappy, called me all kinds of names, and told me he was going to call management and tell them I refused to fly. I told him to go ahead, and I still wasn't going.

We eventually got in, several hours later, after they had been busy plowing the runway. I never heard a word about it from anyone in management.

Our dispatchers will try to force you in to anything. Safety here? It's just a meaningless word.

eagleatr 08-27-2014 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by EALOFFSPRING (Post 1713915)
Thanks for the info. I assume I could expect reserve for a year then? Being in a junior base would I be TDYed much or just on call in base?

Under out wonderful Merlot PBS system, everyone gets reserve! It doesn't matter what your seniority number is.

Being TDY'd depends. They rolled out this wonderful thing of home basing. They say those people are the ones that will be subject to TDY all the time. No one knows much about it, so no one knows if it will work.

If it doesn't work, or there aren't enough people available that are home based to be TDY'd, they will pull people out of whichever base they determine is "overstaffed."

Also, being on reserve in PIE doesn't mean you will just cover PIE. If you are on the 80, right now they will get you a rental car and send you to SFB, PGD, and FLL. They will also get you a plane ticket and give you a scenic tour of the US as they send you out chasing broken airplanes. Or, they might buy you a ticket to pick up a plane from heavy maintenance, which is always an exciting flight.


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