Should you leave AA?
03-20-2017, 03:45 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by Name User
I'm much less concerned about our contract than I am about the viability of the company moving forward. Long term 10-15 years out, where is AA at? From the looks of it, not in a good position. Delta/SWA/Spirit will continue to take our market share.
I just bought tickets for a vacation and AA was very competitive in terms in price (first class and coach) and schedules compared to every other airline for the cities I looked at. As long as the debt situation doesn't blow up in our face and cabotage restrictions remain in place AA will be just fine.
03-20-2017, 07:06 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
I just bought tickets for a vacation and AA was very competitive in terms in price (first class and coach) and schedules compared to every other airline for the cities I looked at. As long as the debt situation doesn't blow up in our face and cabotage restrictions remain in place AA will be just fine.
03-20-2017, 07:21 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Dl contact, coming on one year LOS, still trying to get to AA.
With 2,000 guys below you quitting AA to go to DL is crazy. DL guy would gain about 700-800 numbers by coming to AA so a guy with 2,000 guys below him at AA would lose a lot of numbers by going to DL.
DL's fleet is 9 (?) years older than AA's. They have to be replaced at some point. Interest rate is trending up. Yeah, it's troubling seeing AA not following some of the other business models but does anyone want to run a business model with the slogan "come fly us, we have the oldest fleet in the business"?
With 2,000 guys below you quitting AA to go to DL is crazy. DL guy would gain about 700-800 numbers by coming to AA so a guy with 2,000 guys below him at AA would lose a lot of numbers by going to DL.
DL's fleet is 9 (?) years older than AA's. They have to be replaced at some point. Interest rate is trending up. Yeah, it's troubling seeing AA not following some of the other business models but does anyone want to run a business model with the slogan "come fly us, we have the oldest fleet in the business"?
I don't post this to start a ****ing match. Just wanting to add the reasoning/advantages behind an older fleet.
Delta may have the oldest fleet of the legacies, but we have the highest reliability and the lowest maintenance cost unit compared to the others. Oldest doesn't mean squat when the interiors are refurbed to look brand new. If you don't believe me, look at the comments from our CFO recently to counter Parker's alleging AA is catching up on the revenue side. Older aircraft would be best in an economic downturn as they can be parked with practically no cost (paid for) versus delaying or even cancelling orders. Or they could be parted out thus reducing overall maintenance costs further to maintain the exist fleet. There are many advantages to having an older fleet and as long as we maintain our strong financial and operational performances I don't see why we should upset the apple cart.
The latest from the company is all 88s will be gone by 2020. Our C-series order can be converted to the -300 model after the first 35 -100s come online. The -300 is an 88 replacement. We got a ridiculous deal on this first batch from Bombardier apparently. The only thing that remains to be seen is their operational reliability. If they prove their worth, I see another big follow-on order and thus completing the retirements of the 90s and older, smaller Airbuses.
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03-20-2017, 07:33 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
I don't post this to start a ****ing match. Just wanting to add the reasoning/advantages behind an older fleet.
Delta may have the oldest fleet of the legacies, but we have the highest reliability and the lowest maintenance cost unit compared to the others. Oldest doesn't mean squat when the interiors are refurbed to look brand new. If you don't believe me, look at the comments from our CFO recently to counter Parker's alleging AA is catching up on the revenue side. Older aircraft would be best in an economic downturn as they can be parked with practically no cost (paid for) versus delaying or even cancelling orders. Or they could be parted out thus reducing overall maintenance costs further to maintain the exist fleet. There are many advantages to having an older fleet and as long as we maintain our strong financial and operational performances I don't see why we should upset the apple cart.
The latest from the company is all 88s will be gone by 2020. Our C-series order can be converted to the -300 model after the first 35 -100s come online. The -300 is an 88 replacement. We got a ridiculous deal on this first batch from Bombardier apparently. The only thing that remains to be seen is their operational reliability. If they prove their worth, I see another big follow-on order and thus completing the retirements of the 90s and older, smaller Airbuses.
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Delta may have the oldest fleet of the legacies, but we have the highest reliability and the lowest maintenance cost unit compared to the others. Oldest doesn't mean squat when the interiors are refurbed to look brand new. If you don't believe me, look at the comments from our CFO recently to counter Parker's alleging AA is catching up on the revenue side. Older aircraft would be best in an economic downturn as they can be parked with practically no cost (paid for) versus delaying or even cancelling orders. Or they could be parted out thus reducing overall maintenance costs further to maintain the exist fleet. There are many advantages to having an older fleet and as long as we maintain our strong financial and operational performances I don't see why we should upset the apple cart.
The latest from the company is all 88s will be gone by 2020. Our C-series order can be converted to the -300 model after the first 35 -100s come online. The -300 is an 88 replacement. We got a ridiculous deal on this first batch from Bombardier apparently. The only thing that remains to be seen is their operational reliability. If they prove their worth, I see another big follow-on order and thus completing the retirements of the 90s and older, smaller Airbuses.
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It's a gamble either way.
03-20-2017, 07:34 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
It's a gamble either way.
In deed it is and I actually forgot to add that same sentiment in my post. If only foresight was 20/20!
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03-20-2017, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
Also buying tickets for vacation to Japan from west coast. Found UAL slightly cheaper, have hotel room in downtown Tokyo for $73 a night for two weeks so going biz class.
03-20-2017, 10:44 AM
#108
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
In deed it is and I actually forgot to add that same sentiment in my post. If only foresight was 20/20!
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Yea man I can see the thought process behind both. Hopefully we all make tons of money and stay gainfully employed who cares what we're flying.
03-20-2017, 11:02 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
Wow, you scored on the hotel room! Tokyo can be expensive. Enjoy your vacation, that's a great city to visit.
Gotta book in advance which I did. Been to Bangkok many times, never Tokyo.
03-20-2017, 05:37 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
Accommodations - The New Sanno
Gotta book in advance which I did. Been to Bangkok many times, never Tokyo.
Gotta book in advance which I did. Been to Bangkok many times, never Tokyo.
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