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04-22-2017, 01:53 PM

#31

BeatNavy

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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe

I'm going to look at it from the other view and say the male pax saw a woman with a baby crying and did what ANY man SHOULD DO. Society has become a bunch of onlookers. This guy stood up, as I would have done. Mr blue shirt was out of line saying "go ahead bring it" or whatever.

Calling someone out for inappropriate behavior and standing up for someone (especially a female/mother/kids/the weak/victims/etc.) is one thing and is commendable. Threatening violence in response is another, unless that violence is in self defense or otherwise necessary. In this case, male pax seemed to escalate beyond the acceptable threshold rather than deescalate, threaten a crewmember, and go over the line. Granted, tempers were flaring, so it's somewhat excusable (probably not on a departing airplane though).

04-22-2017, 01:57 PM

#32

Atrasaty

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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe

I agree. Civility has been replaced with faces buried in gadgets and an ain't my problem attitude that allows "service" providers like this AA employee feeling like he can treat customers like this. Good on the passenger that called him out. I would want him on my flight if there was an attempt by an evil doer, he would probably be the first one up to defend the cabin.

04-22-2017, 02:08 PM

#33

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Originally Posted by Atrasaty

So-it's OK to physically threaten crew now?

Are you at all aware that is a federal crime?

04-22-2017, 02:25 PM

#34

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If that was my wife and infants I would hope someone would threaten whoever threatened them. He did not arbitrarily threaten a random crewmember. Cabin crew are not front line combatants or law enforcement officers but some seem to have an attitude of "don't question me......I'm protected by the law."

04-22-2017, 02:29 PM

#35

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Originally Posted by EF77

Story is another FA agreed to let her try and stow it on board due to the fact it folded in some way that would not take a lot of space when the FA in question (not knowing of what the first FA said) took it from her without her consent. That by definition, i.e., taking by force, is a robbery. You cannot go up to someone and simply rip something away from them and then try to hide behind the cloak of "it's not allowed".

Lol.....Robbery?

04-22-2017, 02:34 PM

#36

BeatNavy

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Originally Posted by Atrasaty

Gee, maybe because federal law requires compliance with flight crew? Shocking that crewmembers expect all pax to comply and thereby not question them. The law says so. Now, the way crew conduct themselves and communicate with pax when ensuring (or trying to ensure) compliance is a different story. There's professionalism and human decency that can be used, which this AA guy appeared to disregard.

04-22-2017, 02:50 PM

#37

jcountry

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Originally Posted by Atrasaty

He took a freaking stroller away.

The lady cried. Big freaking deal.

He did not threaten to assault anyone.

04-22-2017, 03:01 PM

#38

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Yup. It seems the male passenger is at fault for totally escalating this. He butted in where he shouldn't have, and had he stayed out of it, this incident would likely have been taken care of. With that said, the male FA absolutely reacted inappropriately. He should have been the bigger man and tried to stay calm, but he didn't.

04-22-2017, 03:11 PM

#39

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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe

Wait. So, just because a person is crying, that's automatically an excuse to jump in to her "defense"? Hardly. There are a few people in the world who become blubbering crying babies over the smallest things that don't go their way or as they expected. You could clearly see that she was trying to compose herself a few times, and seemed to starting to calm down when Mr. tough guy, knight in shining armor decided to butt in. From that point on, once HE began the escalation of the incident by threatening the male FA, and the male FA stupidly took him on, the woman escalated her crying once again - clearly disturbed by the whole episode.