aa73

You completely misunderstood what I said... Not saying that we’re down to “luck”, I’m simply pointing out that RO is a legacy airline industry standard thing and it’s great that LUS didn’t have it (I wish we didn’t either.) What we need to fix is the premium pay part of it, along with RAs and such.

Also, I think I’ve made it clear that I’m no fan of APA but in this case I really think they hit one out of the ball park by getting us two major QOL improvements outside of S6. 5:15 ACD and full LOS for past and future is a big, big deal.... as someone said, the Clt and PHL reps are out to lunch by describing ACD as a concession.

mainlineAF

Exactly. Yea let’s turn down industry leading rigs and ACD bc we might not like the pairings! I like my 11 hour slash trips! lol wut

R57 relay

I've always taken the term "FUD" as the intentional use of someone else's fear to get something you want. I don't think this was the case of the no voters on the AIP. Their fears might have been false or overblown, but I don't believe they used others.

Here is a part of the CLT chair's email. You can find the rest on the APA board:

"Today the APA BOD voted 12-10 to accept the Settlement Agreement that included LOA 18-001 LOS Furlough Credit and LOA 18-002 Average Calendar Day Rig. CLT, PHL, DCA, LAX and the MIA-Vice voted against the resolution to accept the agreement. It is no secret how adamantly opposed to this agreement I was. The approved Settlement Agreement was modified during last week’s negotiations to change the recourse a pilot would have if they felt they were harmed from the long-established grievance process to that of a Current Process Review Committee (CPRC) for certain sections of the contract. I will not get deep into that process in this letter. You can read it in the Settlement Agreement. Suffice it to say, the entire universe of interpretation related to Recovery Obligation, Filling of Open Time, and Reserve Assignment is up the Company to establish. These sections cover a broad landscape of your daily life on the line and are now up to a crew scheduler to administer at will. What is most troubling, is that you will have no documentation what so ever to reference to determine if the Company is in violation of the Settlement Agreement.

As you recall, at the last BOD meeting there was a motion to send the Negotiating Committee back to meet with the Company and “Benchmark” Attachment 3 of the prior Settlement Agreement. When they met with the Company they were told that the Company felt they could expand Attachment 3 and they also wanted to put it in contract form. This would take approximately 6 weeks. The Negotiating Committee felt that was too long and the Company should not be able to expand Attachment 3. The Company proposed establishing the CPRC to avoid writing the language. I have said all along that Attachment 3 is not comprehensive of all the items/areas that are intended since it is just in bullet form. That is what led to tasking the Negotiating Committee to benchmark the agreement. In APA’s effort to dig their head in the sand and pretend that the Company did not have much more in mind with the Settlement Agreement than we did, they chose to go down a dangerous path of zero contract language. Remember, the Company was willing to write what they believed they were agreeing to. The union was afraid to see it. So now we have no language at all and an open dispute of what is allowed. How do you think that is going to work out? Also, It is not allowed by the APA Policy manual to not have complete contract language in negotiations. To further illustrate the absurdity of this process, when I asked the NC Chairman what a line pilot would use for guidance he said, “The JCBA!” Remember, the Settlement Agreement amends the JCBA, so you would use a document that the union knows to be inaccurate to argue your position with scheduling or file a claim. Once you take the time to file a claim, it would go to the Contract Compliance Chairman and he would try to recall if he remembers the Company ever doing whatever you are disputing. If he does you are SOL. If he doesn’t, he can escalate it to the CPRC. The two Company members of the CPRC can then say, “We did that once before” and there will be no way to prove they have not. It is just freaking bizarre that we would accept this as a way of administering our contract. The APA attorney from the Negotiating Committee stood there with a blank clueless look on his face while the NC Chairman tried to fumble his way through explaining not having any contract language for pilot guidance. It is all being done from memory – for real!

Folks, I could go on and on about the total breakdown of discipline regarding this agreement, but it would take hours. Tomorrow when you go to work you will have no idea what is expected of you. I can assure you that the second the Settlement Agreement was signed by President Carey there were orders on the schedulers desk to have at it."

I've been rescheduled more in the last year than in 10 years at US. They weren't all bad and a few provided some good premium. When one of my F/Os needed to get home by the footprint, I told him to call the IOC duty pilot, and he was released and dead headed home. We'll see if Bob's fears match the reality, but it's done now. It's just scary how we seem to do business around here.

Name User

LUS didn't have RO because you weren't paid for your canceled trip!

So everyone scrambled to pick up OT after these winter events.

R57 relay

Not exactly. If your entire trip was cancelled, then yeah, no pay. But if someone else flew it, you got paid. If you were on a multi day trip, or just part of your trip got cancelled, you got paid sch or actual, whichever was better. If possible, you stayed in the footprint of your trip. This is all US East. From my understanding US west was better.

Most often IF you got rescheduled you picked up your trip somewhere else, or you went home and got paid.

We just didn't see the mass reschedules we see now.

mainlineAF

I’ve probably been reassigned 5 or 6 times since we switched to the LAA rules. Every single one of them got me home early except for when the plane broke on day 4 and i was extended into day 5. I’ll take that for seeing my pay rate almost doubled since the merger.

The no voting BOD members need to get over it and move on.

mainlineAF

Yep. When i had my first winter storm at US and found out we weren’t getting paid i was shocked.

RO is industry standard but people will always complain.

R57 relay

Is it? How does Delta do it?

Besides, you were at LUS for what, 3 weeks?

My first reschedule here was a 2 day that turned into a 3 day, flying nothing that I was originally scheduled for. Called the hotline, yep, perfectly legal. Always pack extra underwear and a winter coat!

I'd go back to the LUS system in a heartbeat, but not the money, so we agree there. My point is, the money has nothing to do with it. Why aren't we looking for the best of ALL airlines and shooting for that? Too much not invented here around AA.

jcountry

Industry leading rigs, And ACD??

Well.... I’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree. Even most crap regionals have actual min calendar day, not min average calendar day.

And of course that’s the tip of the iceberg. Our work rules and rigs are horrible. Calling this industry leading is cute.

Enjoy your LOS bonus. We will enjoy paying for it.

jcountry

You are hilarious!

Get back to us with how great RO is after 5 or 6 times under this system.

Just be honest. You are an LOS now hardcore groupie, and your bonus outweighs all else.