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This thinking is the problem. Just because they are doing it AND violating the contract and then we give that to them doesn’t mean we didn’t give a concession. We’ve been giving them concessions from the moment they started doing this so YES this is concesionary and you thinkingbit isn’t is incredibly scary!!!
All they have to do is violate the contract where it matters then dangle something else and we say sure keep doing what your doing cuz we like this shiney toy over here. Damn why don’t you people see this as a problem????
All they have to do is violate the contract where it matters then dangle something else and we say sure keep doing what your doing cuz we like this shiney toy over here. Damn why don’t you people see this as a problem????
This isn’t a perfect agreement but I’m happy to see gains in any area made outside of the section 6 process. The more we have going in the less we have to negotiate starting in 2019.
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I think we are better off with the reserve system we are using now. The JCBA system spreads out the flying more evenly and make reserve not as good a deal for someone with seniority. Being senior and able to pass on trips is a good deal.
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Scope is #1 for me. And i was a firm no on the JCBA. Were you? So don’t tell me what’s important.
The fact you’re trying to spin this into a huge negative is puzzling to me. Sure, attachment 3 left a little to be desired but i think this moves the ball forward and sets us up better for early openers.
The fact you’re trying to spin this into a huge negative is puzzling to me. Sure, attachment 3 left a little to be desired but i think this moves the ball forward and sets us up better for early openers.
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Delta has had a 5:15 ACD for several years dating back to prior to the last contract.
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I know. I was responding that some regionals have a true min calendar day but it’s low, around 3 hours.
My other point was that 5:15 ACD combined with the sit time rig and the night rig are industry leading at AA. DL/UA do not have all 3.
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#368
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And let’s look at recent past items they have promised and implemented... some weren’t even contractual:
- A1 back to base
- profit sharing
- the increase from 5 to 5:10 average duty period
They could have not implemented these items, but they did. ACD will be no different.
Renember, this deal was also brokered under a trial balloon of trust between both parties. The company not implementing a major component of that deal would be a major slap in the face to the union and an immediate shattering of that trust with major labor disruption consequences to the company. Not to mention discord with Wall Street and share price. They just won’t go down that road.
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The company will not fail to implement ACD. I really don’t know where or why this is always brought up, but it’s yet another FUD grenade.
Because they have done such an excellent job of implementing everything else in our contract?? Pay attention.
Because they have done such an excellent job of implementing everything else in our contract?? Pay attention.
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There are some areas that haven’t been implemented, and others that have. Those that have tend to be the big hitter items that would cause labor discord if not implemented. ACD is one of those.
I am not giving management a pass on their past actions but rather using common sense along with trying to figure out their play book. This deal having been brokered out of trust, along with the labor discord that would follow, I can’t see them not implementing ACD. Like I said, FUD grenade.
I am not giving management a pass on their past actions but rather using common sense along with trying to figure out their play book. This deal having been brokered out of trust, along with the labor discord that would follow, I can’t see them not implementing ACD. Like I said, FUD grenade.
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