Modernization of proceedures coming
03-11-2018, 03:16 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
Seems I remember them showing us the chart data that AA was doing very well but they still wanted it lower.
03-12-2018, 04:35 AM
#52
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Position: 75/76 Ca
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
Years ago, after the merger, on the 757, there was an added step or two to the start sequence. When I asked why, the instructor said it was easier to train the fewer (LUS) in the LAA why than the other way around.
I apologized to the instructor but said that's BS, it takes the same amount of time for the bigger group to learn as the smaller group.
The LUS sequence was approved by Boeing, so there was no issues with it.
LAA just never modified their procedures from their inception, whereas, LUS found a more efficient way.
That was going backwards.
I apologized to the instructor but said that's BS, it takes the same amount of time for the bigger group to learn as the smaller group.
The LUS sequence was approved by Boeing, so there was no issues with it.
LAA just never modified their procedures from their inception, whereas, LUS found a more efficient way.
That was going backwards.
03-12-2018, 06:34 AM
#53
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The 737 and I’m sure the other fleets already have flows. It’s time they just make it formal. Plus need a way to avoid re doing everything for a through flight. There’s ways to make it 2018 and match it up to the airbus and other fleets easily. Those who say it’s not possible are just stuck in their ways.
Also need to get call outs harmonized. No reason they’re not among the fleets. Hopefully we get there soon. It’d be beneficial to the airline as a whole. Need to just keep it basic. PM PF duties. None of this “CA calls localizer capture and GS capture.” Just makes no sense to not make the PM do those. Minus it’s how we’ve always done it which again isn’t a good argument. Just little things like that the 737 etc fleets need changed.
Also need to get call outs harmonized. No reason they’re not among the fleets. Hopefully we get there soon. It’d be beneficial to the airline as a whole. Need to just keep it basic. PM PF duties. None of this “CA calls localizer capture and GS capture.” Just makes no sense to not make the PM do those. Minus it’s how we’ve always done it which again isn’t a good argument. Just little things like that the 737 etc fleets need changed.
03-12-2018, 07:43 AM
#54
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This discussion reminds me of a question I asked during my Captain upgrade onto the DC-9 a long time ago (I'm LUS, retired 10 years).
Upon taking the runway, you turned the ignition "on" for takeoff. In the event there was an engine failure, you were supposed to rotate the ignition switch to "over-ride". Supposedly, this bypassed a safety switch in the fuel cutoff levers and insured that the igniters fired.
"Why do we wait for the engine to quit before going to the "over-ride" position? If it's helpful....why not take off with it in that position in the first place? What advantage is there in waiting for the engine to quit?".
I'll never forget the answer that came from the stumped look on the instructor's face....
"Just do it. That's the way it's always been done. You're new on this thing. What makes you so smart to start asking questions....?".
Hmmmmm.
I still don't have a good answer to my question after all these years.....
Seems like a lot of human nature remains the same???
Upon taking the runway, you turned the ignition "on" for takeoff. In the event there was an engine failure, you were supposed to rotate the ignition switch to "over-ride". Supposedly, this bypassed a safety switch in the fuel cutoff levers and insured that the igniters fired.
"Why do we wait for the engine to quit before going to the "over-ride" position? If it's helpful....why not take off with it in that position in the first place? What advantage is there in waiting for the engine to quit?".
I'll never forget the answer that came from the stumped look on the instructor's face....
"Just do it. That's the way it's always been done. You're new on this thing. What makes you so smart to start asking questions....?".
Hmmmmm.
I still don't have a good answer to my question after all these years.....
Seems like a lot of human nature remains the same???
03-12-2018, 02:11 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by Vma214
Been a little while since I was on the airplane, but if you’re talking about the procedure of turning the bleed off then the packs off then the bleed back on...it was because we had a rash of episodes where, when we didn’t do those steps the APU would auto shutdown at that point (99% of the time during the pushback) leaving us with a dark airplane for a minute or two while we restarted it. The “auto shutdown” problem went away when we started doing the “extra step.” It doesn’t surprise me that the Instructor didn’t know the answer to that question since they have as much equipment movement there as we have in the metal.
03-12-2018, 05:13 PM
#57
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
The 737 and I’m sure the other fleets already have flows. It’s time they just make it formal. Plus need a way to avoid re doing everything for a through flight. There’s ways to make it 2018 and match it up to the airbus and other fleets easily. Those who say it’s not possible are just stuck in their ways.
Also need to get call outs harmonized. No reason they’re not among the fleets. Hopefully we get there soon. It’d be beneficial to the airline as a whole. Need to just keep it basic. PM PF duties. None of this “CA calls localizer capture and GS capture.” Just makes no sense to not make the PM do those. Minus it’s how we’ve always done it which again isn’t a good argument. Just little things like that the 737 etc fleets need changed.
Also need to get call outs harmonized. No reason they’re not among the fleets. Hopefully we get there soon. It’d be beneficial to the airline as a whole. Need to just keep it basic. PM PF duties. None of this “CA calls localizer capture and GS capture.” Just makes no sense to not make the PM do those. Minus it’s how we’ve always done it which again isn’t a good argument. Just little things like that the 737 etc fleets need changed.
03-12-2018, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Vma214
Are you saying the 73 has flows? If so, I wasn’t aware of that. I’m pretty sure the 75/76 does not have flows. And what’s wrong with the CA always calling the loc/gs call? I’m used to it. In other words, you just want to do it your way because you’ve always done it that way also.
Dang, how did AA captains get so smart after hiring F/Os that couldn't handle the little things?
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