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Originally Posted by Frip
(Post 2592256)
I'm not up on the latest, but the % of female pretty closely tracks the % of female ATP holders. Is that out of line? Simple numbers.. If there is 200 Females out there competing for 20 reserved slots a year vs 10,000 males competing for 20 slots a year. Who has VASTLY better odds of getting a call? Both being non military. 1 in 10 odds vs 1 in 500 odds..... obviously I don't know the exact numbers of apps/gender applying but you can get a rough idea of the probabilities each group has. |
It’s not easier for any specific group if they’re getting hired at the same rate as their overall percentage is.
5% of pilots are in sub group A? And 5% get hired? That’s to be expected. Less or more than 5%(+/- a bit) and it’s not random. |
I know a relatively attractive female that started flying with zero hours in 2011 who is now at Delta! I mean STARTED (began) flying in 2011. Holy $hit.
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Originally Posted by Regionalsuck
(Post 2592602)
The point is it is just much easier for them to get a call. Percentage wise. I don't really care either way, that is how things are done but it is an undeniable fact the odds are in their favor.
Simple numbers.. If there is 200 Females out there competing for 20 reserved slots a year vs 10,000 males competing for 20 slots a year. Who has VASTLY better odds of getting a call? Both being non military. 1 in 10 odds vs 1 in 500 odds..... obviously I don't know the exact numbers of apps/gender applying but you can get a rough idea of the probabilities each group has. Ever think women and minorities work harder to advance because that's all they know? Their whole lives they have to constantly prove themselves worthy of voting, driving, having a job. Now enter pilots who always want to perform.... The female and minority pilots still have to prove themselves worthy. I still hear the saying"another empty kitchen" by male pilots referring to female pilots. I think it's much more likely that females and minorites are getting hired "easier" in your eyes simply because they are the ones preparing for job fairs, being active in the job fairs and the community and then of course going above and beyond what's considered normal... All because it's burned into them at an early age. |
Originally Posted by stillageek
(Post 2592902)
Ever think women and minorities work harder to advance because that's all they know? Their whole lives they have to constantly prove themselves worthy of voting, driving, having a job. Now enter pilots who always want to perform.... The female and minority pilots still have to prove themselves worthy. I still hear the saying"another empty kitchen" by male pilots referring to female pilots.
I think it's much more likely that females and minorites are getting hired "easier" in your eyes simply because they are the ones preparing for job fairs, being active in the job fairs and the community and then of course going above and beyond what's considered normal... All because it's burned into them at an early age. |
Originally Posted by Learflyer
(Post 2592874)
I know a relatively attractive female that started flying with zero hours in 2011 who is now at Delta! I mean STARTED (began) flying in 2011. Holy $hit.
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Originally Posted by stillageek
(Post 2592902)
Ever think women and minorities work harder to advance because that's all they know? Their whole lives they have to constantly prove themselves worthy of voting, driving, having a job. Now enter pilots who always want to perform.... The female and minority pilots still have to prove themselves worthy. I still hear the saying"another empty kitchen" by male pilots referring to female pilots.
I think it's much more likely that females and minorites are getting hired "easier" in your eyes simply because they are the ones preparing for job fairs, being active in the job fairs and the community and then of course going above and beyond what's considered normal... All because it's burned into them at an early age. Haha. Are you with the bros or not? |
Six years is enough time to get to the lower end of the current hiring curve. Lots of people have met that bar.
And in previous hiring cycles the flight time numbers were lower and a lot of the pilots hired were guys. |
Minorities have a tougher road to getting established in this profession. But so do poor kids, or kids who have no college or even H.S.(!!) graduates in their family, to help mentor them. So WAI and OBAP, among other organizations, are great for the mentorship and support they provide. But when it comes down to the bottom line the job isn’t a glee club, it’s a job that has performance standards that have to be met.
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Prolly right
Prolly victims of discrimination Lawyer up, make it a class action, enlist certain segments of the media to argue your plight and expose all those unqualified new hires and unfair hiring practices. |
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