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A330FoodCritic 05-19-2018 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 2597419)
Why are you being such a little twit to us gazillion hour guys?

Oh, it's not me, I was just saying maybe some of the hiring gurus might think some of you are stuck in your ways.

GHOST 05-19-2018 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Meatball (Post 2597122)
Yes! Of course!

One need only to look at the street hires who went from Envoy to AA ahead of the flow. Half the airline applied to AA through the front door. There may be one or two, but I don't know a single black or female pilot who applied to AA from Envoy who was not hired off the street, but I can think of almost twenty who were. I know several white males who were hired too but every single one of them were AA interns before flying for Eagle/Envoy.

This is just the way things are these days and it's not only the airlines.

Stop being so dramatic. You make it seem as if all they need to do to get hired is apply outside of the flow. That is not the case, as there are plenty of minority pilots still at Envoy waiting for an opportunity. You guys are purposely telling half truths and omitting facts that do not fit your narrative.

123494 05-19-2018 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by GHOST (Post 2597451)
How can it be that I see all these young white FOs around LAX, DFW and MIA Ops? I thought us minorities were taking all of their jobs?

Lots of flows in their early 30s and soon to be late 20s.

Slaphappy 05-19-2018 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by GHOST (Post 2597557)
Stop being so dramatic. You make it seem as if all they need to do to get hired is apply outside of the flow. That is not the case, as there are plenty of minority pilots still at Envoy waiting for an opportunity. You guys are purposely telling half truths and omitting facts that do not fit your narrative.

Facts do support the narrative.

Sliceback 05-19-2018 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by GHOST (Post 2597557)
Stop being so dramatic.
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You guys are purposely telling half truths and omitting facts that do not fit your narrative.

Knives cut both ways.

Gooselives 05-19-2018 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 2597596)
Lots of flows in their early 30s and soon to be late 20s.

Loooks like years for 20’s...for envoy others are already sending them

busdriver12 05-19-2018 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by GHOST (Post 2597557)
Stop being so dramatic. You make it seem as if all they need to do to get hired is apply outside of the flow. That is not the case, as there are plenty of minority pilots still at Envoy waiting for an opportunity. You guys are purposely telling half truths and omitting facts that do not fit your narrative.

Come on, man, it's tough competing for those 90%+ white guy slots. Those tiny percentage of women and minorities are taking all the jobs.:cool:

Joachim 05-19-2018 11:07 PM

It is interesting that we tend to focus on minorities when most slots go to flow without the need to interview. Remember these flow agreements are in place to supply pilots to sub par employers who would otherwise have a difficult time recruiting.

Gooselives 05-20-2018 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 2598012)
It is interesting that we tend to focus on minorities when most slots go to flow without the need to interview. Remember these flow agreements are in place to supply pilots to sub par employers who would otherwise have a difficult time recruiting.

Flow is heavily reduced soon...only send 135 a year...meaning almost 800-900 slots available for ots...hope for all...sorry flowrs’

mukalel 05-20-2018 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 2598228)
Flow is heavily reduced soon...only send 135 a year...meaning almost 800-900 slots available for ots...hope for all...sorry flowrs’

Where is this information from?? I have heard nothing about the flows being reduced.. infact i have been told by numerous AA guys the only way i can probably get to AA in this decade is realistically thru a flow.. ive been told i need to leave my 100k job which is still underpayed for he equipment I fly and go to envoy if AA is my ultimate goal.. quite a hard move to justify granted we dont know how the industry will be in 5 years..


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