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Adanac 04-28-2018 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by flydc (Post 2581446)
- Job fairs. Go to as many as possible. Make sure the recruiters recognize your face.
- Membership to NGPA, WIA, and OBAP. It shows your support for diversity and inclusion.
- Any positions in safety, training, union, recruiting
- Volunteer experience
- Internal recommendations
- Update your app every 2 weeks
- Hire a professional to go through your applications

I know it's a bummer to hear but I too did everything FlyDC recommended. Was previous 121 and hired off the street in 2016.

- WAI, NGPA, OBAP
- attended WAI conference and met recruiters
- volunteered in my off time
- Worked in safety department at my old airline
- Worked with recruitment service to catch all the bugs and gotchya's on the resume
- updated my app every day (one flight hour at a time)
- Several internal recs

It's not impossible and things are about to move

flydc 04-28-2018 06:49 PM

American Airlines wants to see that you support diversity and inclusion because they want to know that you can work well with people different from yourself, both in and out of the cockpit. They want to know that you will treat ALL people with respect.

PRS Guitars 04-28-2018 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by flydc (Post 2582355)
American Airlines wants to see that you support diversity and inclusion because they want to know that you can work well with people different from yourself, both in and out of the cockpit. They want to know that you will treat ALL people with respect.

Yes, and most of us can do that without bragging about it, or taking a class about it, or joining the organizations you mention, or having it shoved down our throats. Most of us already do this without having to be told. Most of us did this in a previous job. That’s what makes it PC BS.

It’s kind of like in the Air Force, some new commanders will say “I’m a servant leader”. Yeah? Don’t tell me...just do it.

A330FoodCritic 04-28-2018 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Santini (Post 2581871)
And like it or lump it, it’s reassuring to see that evil white male up front.

Maybe there is a reason AA hasn't called you.

Good luck chasing UAL.

A330FoodCritic 04-28-2018 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by Santini (Post 2581871)
Being a white guy is a bonus everywhere but here I guess. Thank goodness my kids can claim “Native American”—they’re gonna’ need it.

You are average hour wise, not 121, and haven't had a significant training event in the last five years but it's your white skin that's holding you back, got it.

ShyGuy 04-29-2018 03:44 AM

Curious because I’ve heard this numerous times now, true/false/rumor? Is it really true there is an invisible requirement/filter that checks if you’ve had a major training event in the last 5 years? If true, that could be an issue for those at single fleet type only?

Cheddar 04-29-2018 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2582379)
Yes, and most of us can do that without bragging about it, or taking a class about it, or joining the organizations you mention, or having it shoved down our throats. Most of us already do this without having to be told. Most of us did this in a previous job. That’s what makes it PC BS.



It’s kind of like in the Air Force, some new commanders will say “I’m a servant leader”. Yeah? Don’t tell me...just do it.



Shack...




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Name User 04-29-2018 04:29 AM

US Airways had that requirement mostly because of all the issues they were having with long time FOs who were burnt out not being able to pass training events/upgrades. No idea if AA has it.

It's funny looking back but getting downgraded was the best thing that ever happened to me because it gave me another recent training event that put me through on their selection criteria. Meanwhile a lot of guys just senior to me who never got downgraded were still at my regional years later. Kinda funny how it all seems to work out.

A330FoodCritic 04-29-2018 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2581289)
When’s the last time you went through a full training course? New type rating or upgrading from FO to CA in the same type. In the past 5 (?) yrs was the cutoff.

AA’s civilian OTS hiring last year was 9%.

DL published avg civilian hiring data - 7600 TT and 4100 PIC.

Your resume, in a competitive market, is dead center average.

I only mentioned it because Slice has some good intel at times.

Cheddar 04-29-2018 04:55 AM

What am I doing wrong?
 
As for the OP, I don’t think the passengers care much who is in the front of the bus - as long as they are competent and good at their jobs.

Sorry man, but in the US skin color/gender shouldn’t matter with the competence bias at major airlines. To get to this point, the training and experience level is higher than almost anywhere else in the world. There are always exceptions and I definitely think we all have our 2% rule, but your experience with getting on at a legacy should prove the point.


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