American vs. Southwest
10-09-2018, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
“737 the “worst airplane at AA???” Really Slice... All a strict matter of opinion. To me It is an AWESOME bird... ”
Of course it’s an opinion. Guys have to have flown both to have an honest, and educated, opinion which is better. I’ve yet to hear anyone who’s flown both say they prefer the 737. Of course they exist but right now it’s a couple of dozen saying “Airbus” to no one saying “737.” It came up recently. FB has flown both. I asked which they preferred? “Airbus.” FO was surprised “really?!” FB - “I will NEVER fly the 737 again.”
Of course it’s an opinion. Guys have to have flown both to have an honest, and educated, opinion which is better. I’ve yet to hear anyone who’s flown both say they prefer the 737. Of course they exist but right now it’s a couple of dozen saying “Airbus” to no one saying “737.” It came up recently. FB has flown both. I asked which they preferred? “Airbus.” FO was surprised “really?!” FB - “I will NEVER fly the 737 again.”
10-09-2018, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
“737 the “worst airplane at AA???” Really Slice... All a strict matter of opinion. To me It is an AWESOME bird... ”
Of course it’s an opinion. Guys have to have flown both to have an honest, and educated, opinion which is better. I’ve yet to hear anyone who’s flown both say they prefer the 737. Of course they exist but right now it’s a couple of dozen saying “Airbus” to no one saying “737.” It came up recently. FB has flown both. I asked which they preferred? “Airbus.” FO was surprised “really?!” FB - “I will NEVER fly the 737 again.”
Of course it’s an opinion. Guys have to have flown both to have an honest, and educated, opinion which is better. I’ve yet to hear anyone who’s flown both say they prefer the 737. Of course they exist but right now it’s a couple of dozen saying “Airbus” to no one saying “737.” It came up recently. FB has flown both. I asked which they preferred? “Airbus.” FO was surprised “really?!” FB - “I will NEVER fly the 737 again.”
10-09-2018, 06:19 AM
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SWA continues to expand and post increasing profits while AA stagnantes.
Doug had an opportunity to set us up for 20-30 years on solid financial ground but instead choose to buy back stock, which was bought for more on average than the current market price is.
Personally I would choose SWA but I care more about long term financial security than the type of airplane I operate.
Doug had an opportunity to set us up for 20-30 years on solid financial ground but instead choose to buy back stock, which was bought for more on average than the current market price is.
Personally I would choose SWA but I care more about long term financial security than the type of airplane I operate.
10-09-2018, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
SWA continues to expand and post increasing profits while AA stagnantes.
Doug had an opportunity to set us up for 20-30 years on solid financial ground but instead choose to buy back stock, which was bought for more on average than the current market price is.
Personally I would choose SWA but I care more about long term financial security than the type of airplane I operate.
Doug had an opportunity to set us up for 20-30 years on solid financial ground but instead choose to buy back stock, which was bought for more on average than the current market price is.
Personally I would choose SWA but I care more about long term financial security than the type of airplane I operate.
10-09-2018, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
SWA continues to expand and post increasing profits while AA stagnantes.
Doug had an opportunity to set us up for 20-30 years on solid financial ground but instead choose to buy back stock, which was bought for more on average than the current market price is.
Personally I would choose SWA but I care more about long term financial security than the type of airplane I operate.
Doug had an opportunity to set us up for 20-30 years on solid financial ground but instead choose to buy back stock, which was bought for more on average than the current market price is.
Personally I would choose SWA but I care more about long term financial security than the type of airplane I operate.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/articles/companies-are-buying-back-stock-as-executives-sell-at-record-clip-1538787736
The debt doesn’t scare me because a lot of it is due to the fleet. Having a relatively young fleet will pay dividends in years to come while UA and DA eventually have to “bite the bullet” so to speak and pony up some coin to do the same. The rampant stock buy-backs scare me. It’s what corporate leadership does when they’re out of ideas.
10-09-2018, 12:19 PM
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Interesting points folks. Thank you for sharing and please continue to add/share other insights. Either way, both companies seem pretty great! I too am concerned with American’s debt level and rougher history. However, that upgrade time is pretty compelling.
10-09-2018, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jacobp31
Interesting points folks. Thank you for sharing and please continue to add/share other insights. Either way, both companies seem pretty great! I too am concerned with American’s debt level and rougher history. However, that upgrade time is pretty compelling.
SWA by far has the best career potential.
If you were investing in a company, which one would you choose?
AA had incredible potential. They netted $20b dollars in profit after the merger. Instead of using that to secure the company's future, they used it to leverage the #### out of it and took on huge risk, while assuming oil prices would stay low for a decade or longer.
It would be like if you won $5m in a lottery. Instead of buying a $500k house, a used BMW, and investing the rest to live off of, you bought a $3m house along with a Ferrari, Mercedes, and a matching set of Lamborghinis and went broke five years later with nothing to show for it.
We have almost as many RJs in in our fleet than SWA has total. All told, we have twice as many airplanes as SWA but SWA earns almost as much profit as we do. AA is living on the bleeding edge.
I REALLY hate to be negative. But we just have no long term leadership skills here. Doug has never been able to think strategically. Our entire upper managment is reactive in thinking.
I had hoped the merger would change all of that. It didn't.
10-09-2018, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
“737 the “worst airplane at AA???” Really Slice... All a strict matter of opinion. To me It is an AWESOME bird... ”
Of course it’s an opinion. Guys have to have flown both to have an honest, and educated, opinion which is better. I’ve yet to hear anyone who’s flown both say they prefer the 737. Of course they exist but right now it’s a couple of dozen saying “Airbus” to no one saying “737.” It came up recently. FB has flown both. I asked which they preferred? “Airbus.” FO was surprised “really?!” FB - “I will NEVER fly the 737 again.”
Of course it’s an opinion. Guys have to have flown both to have an honest, and educated, opinion which is better. I’ve yet to hear anyone who’s flown both say they prefer the 737. Of course they exist but right now it’s a couple of dozen saying “Airbus” to no one saying “737.” It came up recently. FB has flown both. I asked which they preferred? “Airbus.” FO was surprised “really?!” FB - “I will NEVER fly the 737 again.”
Also, I'm 6'2" and not a small guy by any stretch. I'm not terribly uncomfortable in it, either.
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