New flows and checklists
03-22-2019, 09:19 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Aviatrx
Things change all the time. What I am saying is the new changes are a little strange, but verifying your own gas is not earth shattering. Besides, trust but verify for yourself. It is not a big deal for the Captain to jot down a number and possibly have to turn a light on to see it
I’ll say whatever they want me to say whenever they want me to say it. I also think these changes aren’t that big of a deal. They could have been rolled out smoother but otherwise not too big of an issue.
However the captain having to fiddle around to find the fuel numbers while taxiing is an issue. It’s messed me up multiple times searching for it and i think they could tweak it to make it easier.
03-22-2019, 10:55 AM
#32
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Are guys still *****ing about this? It takes, what, 4 legs to get it down?If you can't remember the min fuel number and have trouble referencing something you know you're going to need while taxiing out, I'd say the new flows are the least if your problems, you need some Ginkgo biloba. My favorite is from the Boeing guys, 'these planes just aren't designed to be operated this way...'
03-22-2019, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
Here's a thought.
Keep internal operational complaints on C&R.
Keep internal operational complaints on C&R.
Thank you. Lots of journalists lurking on these forums right now in the wake of the last few tragedies. I’ve read a few stories that are just downright irresponsible and we don’t need to feed them.
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03-22-2019, 03:46 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by SilverandSore
Are guys still *****ing about this? It takes, what, 4 legs to get it down?If you can't remember the min fuel number and have trouble referencing something you know you're going to need while taxiing out, I'd say the new flows are the least if your problems, you need some Ginkgo biloba. My favorite is from the Boeing guys, 'these planes just aren't designed to be operated this way...'
Blindly accepting the changes without critiquing what could be done better is just as bad as the guys who are complaining about the changes.
03-22-2019, 07:56 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
Blindly accepting the changes without critiquing what could be done better is just as bad as the guys who are complaining about the changes.
That’s the big problem.
But another big issue is that these changes were imposed without any consideration of whether they are improvements.
The idea of making the captain fumble around for fuel numbers close to the end of the runway while taxiing is a good example.
That’s just total nonsense. The FO used to do that, and it didn’t matter that he/she was heads down because the FO is not taxiing.
Stuff like that bugs me. This was a huge opportunity for solid improvement.... But we actually took a few steps backward. It sure feels like a pee pee contest more than anything else. On the Airbus, we had very clean, very well thought-out procedures. Now much of that is trashed.
Last edited by jcountry; 03-22-2019 at 08:07 PM.
03-23-2019, 07:53 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
Here's a thought.
Keep internal operational complaints on C&R.
Keep internal operational complaints on C&R.
03-23-2019, 08:08 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by Name User
I agree, if something were to happen with our company the media would be publishing stories titled "Airline changed procedures without training pilots; five hurt when aircraft runs off runway".
ASAP content is available to anyone who looks for it.
And I guarantee this situation generated 10k of them.
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