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05-27-2019 | 08:39 AM
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Imagine that if every time a senior pilot hit age 65 and retired, the slot that a new hire would take to replace went straight to the regionals.
[B]The seniority list and pilot group would shrink daily. The seniority list would be half the size in about 5 years.... giving all those jobs outsourced to the regionals. Eventually there would be no mainline jobs left... they would all be outsourced.
[B]The seniority list and pilot group would shrink daily. The seniority list would be half the size in about 5 years.... giving all those jobs outsourced to the regionals. Eventually there would be no mainline jobs left... they would all be outsourced.
05-27-2019 | 08:47 AM
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I believe there to be a limit on the insanity of $12 billion in share buybacks with zero to show for it except the ability to say those shares have been retired. Enough is enough. Parker said the environment at the airlines has changed. “They will make money indefinitely”. His words. Yet we are still on a bk contract making zero headway in negotiations while the company violates our contract daily without regard. Our contract still isn’t implemented. I could go on but it’s Memorial Day and I’d rather focus on things that should be thought about and remembered than inept management.
05-27-2019 | 10:11 AM
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I believe there to be a limit on the insanity of $12 billion in share buybacks with zero to show for it except the ability to say those shares have been retired. Enough is enough. Parker said the environment at the airlines has changed. “They will make money indefinitely”. His words. Yet we are still on a bk contract making zero headway in negotiations while the company violates our contract daily without regard. Our contract still isn’t implemented. I could go on but it’s Memorial Day and I’d rather focus on things that should be thought about and remembered than inept management.
Bankruptcy contract? What? The total contract value is substantially more than even LAA had back then. Stop with the hyperbole.
I don't think it matters how much the company makes with how much we should get paid. Pay us what our peers make, which we get except for profit sharing (mostly because AA isn't as profitable) and who cares if the company is rolling in the dough or burning money.
Again labor doesn't own the company, the shareholders do.
05-27-2019 | 10:16 AM
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when the union comes in and makes that entry level baggage handler job a career job with medical and pension,
Wouldn't want those people doing the work that produces the revenue making a decent living, having health insurance or maybe a small pension...
No... Not every job should pay $100k or $300k, but labor and those that provide it have value too.
Wouldn't want those people doing the work that produces the revenue making a decent living, having health insurance or maybe a small pension...
No... Not every job should pay $100k or $300k, but labor and those that provide it have value too.
My favorite example of this is with the AWA mouthpieces. They proclaim how awesome their contract was. And it might have had some cool things in it. But they sure as hell make way more momey here. As someone once told me, "money is QOL". I can work 40 hours here what 85 was at US Airways. So eight days a month vs 16-20 at Airways (remember those three day red eyes paying 10 hours!!). There isn't enough soft time in the world to overcome a 100/hr difference in pay.
05-27-2019 | 10:26 AM
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I for one am very happy there are things not implemented. They are actually bad.
Bankruptcy contract? What? The total contract value is substantially more than even LAA had back then. Stop with the hyperbole.
I don't think it matters how much the company makes with how much we should get paid. Pay us what our peers make, which we get except for profit sharing (mostly because AA isn't as profitable) and who cares if the company is rolling in the dough or burning money.
Again labor doesn't own the company, the shareholders do.
Bankruptcy contract? What? The total contract value is substantially more than even LAA had back then. Stop with the hyperbole.
I don't think it matters how much the company makes with how much we should get paid. Pay us what our peers make, which we get except for profit sharing (mostly because AA isn't as profitable) and who cares if the company is rolling in the dough or burning money.
Again labor doesn't own the company, the shareholders do.
Please explain how a contract that is woefully deficient in work rules, lacks in soft pay, that had rates that got AA pilots back to parity with what they had prior to 2003 and signed during bankruptcy is hyperbole.
05-27-2019 | 11:03 AM
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When regionals have better line construction, more control over PBS, more control over days off, better schedule flexibility, better paying OT provisions, holiday pay, better bonuses, more pay credit during training, more flexibility with vacation blocks it shows the sad state of our work rules and contract.
Please explain how a contract that is woefully deficient in work rules, lacks in soft pay, that had rates that got AA pilots back to parity with what they had prior to 2003 and signed during bankruptcy is hyperbole.
Please explain how a contract that is woefully deficient in work rules, lacks in soft pay, that had rates that got AA pilots back to parity with what they had prior to 2003 and signed during bankruptcy is hyperbole.
There was a time when pilots made way more than they do now. Those times aren't coming back either. And I would never wish them to - there are way more good paying jobs for us nowadays.
My life is 1000% better here than it was ever at the regionals flying 5-8 legs a day, early shows, late finishes, with zero support from the company on anything. Despite the rhetoric that you hear from people, they are mostly reminiscing about things they have long forgotten. And I make twice as much.
05-27-2019 | 11:42 AM
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News flash the pensions aren't coming back. The RJ flying is not coming back. Stop living your life from 20 years ago. You can only compare to what the world exists like in present day, or you will be forever living under a "bankruptcy contract".
There was a time when pilots made way more than they do now. Those times aren't coming back either. And I would never wish them to - there are way more good paying jobs for us nowadays.
My life is 1000% better here than it was ever at the regionals flying 5-8 legs a day, early shows, late finishes, with zero support from the company on anything. Despite the rhetoric that you hear from people, they are mostly reminiscing about things they have long forgotten. And I make twice as much.
There was a time when pilots made way more than they do now. Those times aren't coming back either. And I would never wish them to - there are way more good paying jobs for us nowadays.
My life is 1000% better here than it was ever at the regionals flying 5-8 legs a day, early shows, late finishes, with zero support from the company on anything. Despite the rhetoric that you hear from people, they are mostly reminiscing about things they have long forgotten. And I make twice as much.
Please stop being rational. This is no place for it.
I love when guys say their regional had better work rules. I make almost 4x as much a regional captain and work much less. Simple as that.
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