Because flow isn’t about staffing AA, it’s about staffing the WOs.


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agreed but you have to think they have a timeframe in mind where it’s a loss on return on investment if people leave says in2 years.

Source for any of this? I don’t buy it...

Because if they don't increase the flows from the WOs, then probably about those same number of pilots will leave the AA WOs and go to DAL/UAL/UPS/FedEx/JetBlue/Alaskan/Spirit/Frontier. In the latter case, then the AA system loses a pilot to competitors, which they can ill afford to do with this Pilot Shortage.

This is it, plus the shorter flow is a recruitment tool, which they need.

Source? I said it was anecdotal. I know these pilots personally so it is all first hand information.

I know quite a few WO non-flow pilots from the 3 WO airlines, and to a person every single one of them was either a LCA at their respective WO airline with solid credentials or they were just a regular line pilot but they had AA mom/dad pulling strings for them because not a single one of them had a resume that you would describe as competitive against your typical civilian off the street hire (some blatantly so, IMO). And further about that second group, some of them absolutely were hired in spite of problems that would get unconnected applicants a rejection. I'm not publicly knocking or criticizing it, but there is a fascinating pattern. I'm sure there has to be outliers to this pattern, but I just haven't come across one yet. Take it for what you want.

This is true as I’ve also seen it happen exactly as you explained. And I am still bitter about what AA did to me and everyone at all 3 wholly owns that worked our way up after furlough into the training dept, had all the boxes checked, but couldn’t get a interview. (why didn’t you go somewhere else is the argument. Because I refuse to commute for this job) However, a guy shows for less than a year, w min turboprop time, never upgrades, but wife gets a job offer in mainline recruiting dept. She makes the deal to get husband a interview immediately and boom! hired.
Also a friend who did the DGI at Delta told me 4 candidates in his interview were from PSA... All hired.

Im also not knocking anyone personally. You got the cards.. Play em, we all would. When you get passed over use it as motivation to not let the next one do it to you. Airlines love confidence. Wish older crew news pre merger/pre flow. SSP days. were still available. One Dash driver asked parker in front of everyone why no one is getting a interview from pdt. Walked up handed him his resume and was hired.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about him. So that's another one on the list. His wife conducted my interview for Piedmont along side M.C..

Bingo. These people had no chance without those cards in their hands but anyone of us would jump at the same opportunity. Not going to place blame there. It's not the player, but the game that has flexible rules.

Now that I would love to see!

Why Envoy over the others? I think you should be more open and transparent with regard to your recruitment efforts for Envoy.
The pilots I am familiar with that went to Envoy were sent to NY on the 145. That's a difficult place to exist on regional pay.
Envoy definitely has something to offer to a pilot who absolutely depends on flow to get to a major. Just as do the other WOs.

Failed the interview process and got hired? You don't understand how the hiring process works at AA. Wanna know how I know? Because no one knows how the hiring process at AA works. It's a black hole by design.

There's a guy flying at PDT who interviewed at AA and got sent packing. He has a close relative who flies a wb at AA. That's just one that I know of and I'm sure it's happened multiple other times. People don't usually broadcast failures.

Did you personally review all these friends resumes? It's not all about the flying part. Typical off the street hire at AA isn't a thing that really exists either.

All I will say is there are a ton of people at PDT who spout out this same "mommy or daddy" catch phrase like you are, while sitting on their hands and doing nothing to make themselves competitive. Throw around snide comments like this yet are just your standard line pilot, doing no volunteer work, not a LCA, not hustling for recommendations or networking. Makes me laugh

You should leave this whole knocking your coworkers thing at Piedmont by the way. No better than the guy who started this thread trashing the group you'll soon be in my friend.

I'm not sure how you got all of that from what I wrote. You don't know me. You don't know what I'm working on to move myself up and out. You don't know the extent of my relationships with the people I'm referring to. You don't even know who I'm speaking of.

But I'll say it all again: I've explicitly said multiple times that I'm referring to anecdotal observations. I have knocked no one. What I have done, however, is civilly discuss an observed pattern of newhires hired outside the flow and without criticism and to wit, I even included the caveat that there must certainly be folks out there that I'm unaware of that deviate from what I've observed. How could there not be, right? And you mentioned one yourself! Great. Thank you. I've also explicitly said on multiple occasions that I've got nothing against these folks. You read those parts, right? Because it doesn't seem like it. They are all good people who have found good fortune in their circumstances. I've hidden none of these sentiments. But, thank you all the same for your nice opinions.

I do know who you are, but that's beside the point. You don't know the circumstances of many of these people who you're freely speaking about, yet you minimize their efforts to the simple catchphrase of "mommy and daddy". The connotations are plain and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you're saying. You're working hard, and they simply found some good fortune. That's the message I'm getting.

Shoot, man, you got me!

"Mommy and daddy". For real though, that part of the sentence was 100% tongue in cheek. I even used the required internet smiley! :D

Funny thing is, is I included the front half of that sentence about how I've got my own mechanisms at play to move up and out in preemptive hopes of keeping the flames to a minimum, specifically because I expected someone to come along at me with guns blazing, misconstruing my statements. I guess it didn't work! :)

I do agree with your larger sentiment, though. There are tons of people complaining about their lot but not putting much extra legwork in to change it. I truly can't remember the last time someone answered 'yes' when the topic came up in conversation on if they have apps out for anywhere, let alone with AA.

Anyways, have the last word if you like. My position is known and hopefully clear now. If you still disagree, well, that's cool too.