R57 relay

No, it wasn't just a little harsh. It was overly broad, arrogant, but mostly ignorant.

I can't believe the things I've heard from some of our junior pilots. So many have no clue of what has happened in this business since deregulation. Many know little about airline history and how the current US system came about. So many have just rolled their eyes when those that came before them tried to share stories of things like US Airways LOA 93.

The know-it-all attitude amazes me. From initial training, to the line, to life through a crisis.

R57 relay

Hey Armyguy, how long have you been here? You said you got a leave, right? A paid one?

drinksonme

Leaves, except permanent (I think), can be canceled with 30 day notice.

Wont matter, 16 million have filed for unemployment in 3 weeks and it’s going to worse. People that think we will just snap right back (and I mean within 5 YEARS even) are living in fantasy world, wearing rose colored glasses, high on ecstasy. Our group 9 passengers, the ones many on here and on line, look down their nose at........you know the ones that filled our planes to capacity....yeah, they are the ones that will be hit the most by this. Your service worker, self-employed. They are a big part of that 16 million. The economy and the fallout is going make the reaction to the virus make look like buffoons and the suffering that will ensue will be much worse then anything this virus would’ve cause. SHEEPLE.....that’s all I have to say

mainlineAF

Seniority doesn’t matter when it comes to idiots. Please tell me you saw the post on the arena where the old guy said the VPLOAs should pay 70 hours. Company pays the first 55 and the other 15 would be paid by the junior guys, because we have had such an awesome ride lol.

It’s funny. When i first started at airways i flew with lots of 89 and 99 hires. They have had awful careers as you know. Yet almost all of them were crazy enthusiastic about how i had “hit the lottery” and will have an awesome career. You’d think of all people those dudes would know how quick things can change.

seafeye

Those that were flying on 911 remember how hard it was to get a job after. Bankruptcies. Then age 65. Then the mergers. Now this...
At least I got the taste of a non bankruptcy contract for 3 months out of the last 18 years.

R57 relay

You are correct about seniority vs. stupidity. As with the population in general, there are idiots everywhere. But my point is that just because you cannot understand someone's decision, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are idiots.

But more importantly- LEARN FROM THEM! Learn our history. Learn what we did wrong with LOA 93 (we were playing checkers, trying to save the company, while the company was playing chess...and us), learn what was done wrong in SLIs. Learn from personal stories and if they made mistakes, try to avoid them. I learned so much from the former Braniff pilots I flew with at Piedmont/USAir.

I told my son who is a pilot-I often think I learned the most from the worst captains I flew with.

When I started with Piedmont (the one that started in '48 with DC-3s, not the current one) I was told that I would be a F-28 captain in 2 years, Boeing in 3 and retire as #1 as a gazillionaire. None have come true and unless I hit a lottery, none will.

My point of asking Armyguy his longevity was not that it matters as to his opinion, but in all the crises I've been through at the airlines, I've never seen a junior pilot get paid to stay at home. Something to consider when throwing stones at the senior who are not taking a leave. And, someone has to fly the airplanes, as long as we keep some in the air.

Icaruss

Have you all seen the pay statement yet for the 15th?

biigD

Mine hasn't posted yet, but I don't expect to see it until tomorrow.

O2pilot

I just finally got back to my old pre-merger seniority number from the UAL-CAL merger from 10 years ago. The second lost decade! I’ve only moved up 2,500 seniority numbers in the last 20 years.

jetlaggy

Did your relative seniority (%j go up? thats what really matters.