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bikeva 06-26-2020 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 3081066)
Not sure, but the men who have the power to furlough us say we’re 1600 fat for next summer, we’ll see what kind of deals can be made.


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Kind of. DP was referencing the forecast that was on the vacancy bid I believe which seemed to have a consensus that after all other factors puts us at 1,200 over. I’m new in this game but I think it’s too soon to tell and there would be other signals if we were closer to furlough (larger VPLOA approvals by the company and maybe lowering of age requirement).


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Thedude 06-26-2020 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 3081023)
Is there a traditional percentage number of pilots who are "safe from furlough" that has been passed around for the past few years / decades? Do you think this year's will change that number when used in the future?

My personal number is at least 20% off the bottom.
If a company is going to furlough, it usually the first 10% go rather quickly and then the next 10% would go almost a year later.
Unless things are really, really bad then it would be 50%. (We aren't there)

I still think the numbers that Dougie floated are posturing and managing expectations.

TRZ06 06-26-2020 02:01 PM

I don't dislike DP but I would feel far more comfortable if he was in line with Delta and United on future expectations. SW can afford to bet the farm but for us its do or die. We certainly can hope for more aid but that will largely be out of our hands. The good news is that from the most junior to the most senior we are all in this together. At this point furloughing will provide only marginal relief and probably not enough time to make a difference. It will be tough but I know for myself and the guys I work with life will go on and we will all make the best of it. Its been a nice run while it lasted though!

Bwipilot 06-26-2020 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 3081021)
wonder if the name "American" dissolving would be prevented by people in whom the name evokes a symbolic meaning.

If you're referencing the people who are pulling down statues of Jefferson, Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt--sorry to say but I'd guess that they're all for it.

chrisreedrules 06-26-2020 05:10 PM

When do initial furlough notices have to go out by at AA?

Flying101 06-26-2020 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3081481)
When do initial furlough notices have to go out by at AA?

Late Aug..

JCBA.. Furlough V.3

”Pilots to be furloughed will be given thirty (30) days' notice before the effective date of the furlough. Such notice will not be applicable in cases of emergency which include, but are not limited to acts of God or a strike by employees of the Company.”

sanicom3205 06-26-2020 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 3081540)
JCBA.. Furlough V.3

”Pilots to be furloughed will be given thirty (30) days' notice before the effective date of the furlough. Such notice will not be applicable in cases of emergency which include, but are not limited to acts of God or a strike by employees of the Company.”

Would I be wrong in thinking that the WARN act would apply to us, thus requiring a 60 day advance notice of furlough?

pangolin 06-26-2020 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 3077577)
who is the rick 777 everyone keeps talking about ?

Karen’s Brother.

Flying101 06-26-2020 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3081548)
Would I be wrong in thinking that the WARN act would apply to us, thus requiring a 60 day advance notice of furlough?

Good point, didn’t think of the WARN act. I change my answer to: late July

Saabs 06-26-2020 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3081554)
Karen’s Brother.

who’s Karen?


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