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Old 09-17-2020, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by WhistlePig View Post
When you specifically mention christian values, it’s to the express exclusion of other commonly practiced and accepted religions in America. Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, Judaism, for instance. Atheists make a very compelling argument that you don’t need a religion to be a good person. That’s not triggering, but perhaps your statement about values being exclusively christian says more than you meant it to.
Also I agree the discussion about the BLM pin should be at least related to why it exists and abuses by the state under the color of law, not religious value systems.
The abuses under color of law are so minuscule in todays world that it turns many people off the moment you even mention it that way. The majority of the celebrated cases turn out to have been proper actions by the police that had the activists/Marxists waited for the facts, we wouldn't have had 95% of these riots.
Further, If I have to give the the benefit of the doubt to one side or the other; I'm going to give it to the officer and not try to second guess for days and weeks a decision he/she had to make in microseconds, in the heat of sudden battle, with fear driven adrenalin pushing them to save their own life, or to prevent the escape of a person who poses a threat to others if not stopped immediately.
The real solution is to fight the police in court, not out on the street. When people learn that one one simple fact, these types of incidents will stop. Fight for change in the voting booth; not in the looted gutted out, burned out building left by a mob.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post
I simply recapped exactly what you said. Sorry you don’t like it broken down.

You’ve pointed out the correlation between single parenting and crime. You’ve compared crime rates by race.

These are the “knowns”. Now tell me why these facts exist.
I doubt someone as narrow-minded as you is interested in fact. The biggest problem in any community is the lack of a father in the home, so when a culture needs to improve, they need to do it from the inside out-but I guess its easier to blame everyone else. Gtf up.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:29 AM
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Personally I enjoy starting every 4 day by telling the other guy about how in a former life I worked at BLM* and how I spent most of my time setting fires**, as instructed by my supervisors. Always gets a good reaction.


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Old 09-17-2020, 09:52 AM
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Let's walk through your logic train for a second here. What "bureaucracy" protects public servants? The elected politically affiliated administrations in municipal, county and state government that would and DO hang them out to dry with regularity to deflect from their own inability to craft meaningful legislation or ordinances? Is that who you're talking about? Union affiliation in LE does not overshadow the accountability of public service nor the pains and penalties affiliated with violating it and anyone who claims it does is making a vapid argument devoid of actual, provable fact. There are hundreds of LEO's who have been terminated before the outcome of any trial or even the conclusion of an investigation who would love to take issue with the fact they are accountable to no one, that's SIMPLY not a thing. Are there examples of times when a union has covered for a bad cop? Of course there are in just the same way a union has covered for a bad pilot who should have never been in the seat they occupied. The argument can be made that flying a transport category aircraft holds blind public trust and since that same public is paying for the skill set, then there should be no union covering for mistakes made in the flight deck. I do not necessarily subscribe to that belief for exactly the same reasons that I'm sure you don't but you can't be ok with one being able to unionize and the other not. Tell me, should ATC be allowed to unionize? They are on the Gov payroll and serve the public too.
If you your organization has a Union it should be allowed to file BK.

Allowing government "company's" like the postal service to have labor unions and immunity from BK is not an equal balance to the society who funds them.

Allowing a public school teacher union to go on strike with no threat of bankruptcy is ridiculous and extortion.
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
Personally I enjoy starting every 4 day by telling the other guy about how in a former life I worked at BLM* and how I spent most of my time setting fires**, as instructed by my supervisors. Always gets a good reaction.


*Bureau of Land Management
**Controlled vegetation burns
I’ve been in towns in Nevada, Idaho, and Wyoming where they’d have been more welcoming to Black Lives Matter demonstrators and ANTIFA rioters than Bureau of Land Management people. Anyone who thinks the ‘sagebrush rebellion’ is over is wrong.
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Old 09-17-2020, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot View Post
Police havle legal protections for actions they take while in the line of duty that are adjudicated to be legal and correct. They have unions to protect them when they have 18 complaints of misconduct over 20 years as was the case with the officer who held his knee on George Floyd's neck for eight minutes.
I would like to add Congress has immunity from legal action for bad laws and rules. Maybe we should start and remove Congress immunity protection, first.
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Old 09-17-2020, 02:52 PM
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I would like to add Congress has immunity from legal action for bad laws and rules. Maybe we should start and remove Congress immunity protection, first.

A lot of people say we need term limits. I disagree, what we need to do is close the revolving door between congress and lobby firms. End the legal insider trading for members of congress. And make it illegal for any family member of any member of congress from doing business with the government. They would limit their own terms once we close these avenues for them to come to congress poor and go home wealthy.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:22 PM
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since I am a former LEO I do pay attention to these issues closely and the unions do in fact cause problems. You think it’s ok to commit murder, not be prosecuted and keep your job. That’s what happens with qualified immunity and a union. It is not acceptable. No citizen oversight board can resolve these issues. It will take legislative action and I do express my opinion regarding these issues to my representatives.
I'm also a former LEO and I pay attention too. Not sure where you worked or what PBA you belonged to but I've never seen a cop commit murder and keep his/her job. Then again, I've never seen a cop commit actual murder in the line of duty. Murder is a stepped charge, 1st generally requires malice aforethought and none of them are covered under QI. Anywhere. Period. If I'm wrong, prove it. QI only protects you from using deadly force in the lawful commission of your duties to prevent loss of your life, the life of another officer or the life of a civilian. I'm not claiming that an oversight board resolves those issues but I AM claiming that it increases transparency in the process and gives the community a greater say in what happens with bad cops and by extension greater ability to track patterns of wrongdoing. The law is an imperfect thing and so are the policies that govern those who enforce it. Is there room for improvement on both fronts? Absolutely. And we should take this time to do exactly that but to claim that police unions protect murderers or that the greater body of law enforcement in America is made up of murders is simply wrong in every way it can be wrong. The taking of human life is ugly and a hideous thing for everyone involved and it should never be done lightly or not thoroughly investigated in the aftermath and bad actors held accountable if discovered. But it does happen with reason on rare occasion. When it does we need to be less hyperbolic about the why and more introspective of the reasons behind the action, working to mitigate those reasons in the aftermath.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot View Post
A lot of people say we need term limits. I disagree, what we need to do is close the revolving door between congress and lobby firms. End the legal insider trading for members of congress. And make it illegal for any family member of any member of congress from doing business with the government. They would limit their own terms once we close these avenues for them to come to congress poor and go home wealthy.
¿por qué no los dos?
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
Personally I enjoy starting every 4 day by telling the other guy about how in a former life I worked at BLM* and how I spent most of my time setting fires**, as instructed by my supervisors. Always gets a good reaction.


*Bureau of Land Management
**Controlled vegetation burns
Sure kept me employed flying type 2 helo’s mopping up!
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