Originally Posted by Surprise

¿por qué no los dos?

Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot

No they don't but they seem to be adept at keeping officers with a 20 year history of complaints on the force.

Originally Posted by Red Forman

Sounds like unions are the problem because the same can be said about a lot of teachers.

Originally Posted by TransWorld

Glad to be reminded that BLM=Bureau of Land Management, the mind jumps to, “What, rioters have air power now?!“

Originally Posted by Turbosina

True story, kid you not...in the van the other day at a relatively rural outstation the van driver and I got to talking about good hiking trails in the area. He gestures towards some faraway hills and says "That's all BLM land over there."

I nod, and then see one of our FAs looking really confused. Brow all scrunched up as she's like "Huh?" Seeing where this was about to go, I said "Bureau of Land Management. Not Black Lives Matter." And she of course says "Bureau of what? Ok well wow I knew BLM was popular but I didn't know they owned land and stuff."

Sigh

Originally Posted by WickedSmaht

I'm also a former LEO and I pay attention too. Not sure where you worked or what PBA you belonged to but I've never seen a cop commit murder and keep his/her job. Then again, I've never seen a cop commit actual murder in the line of duty. Murder is a stepped charge, 1st generally requires malice aforethought and none of them are covered under QI. Anywhere. Period. If I'm wrong, prove it. QI only protects you from using deadly force in the lawful commission of your duties to prevent loss of your life, the life of another officer or the life of a civilian. I'm not claiming that an oversight board resolves those issues but I AM claiming that it increases transparency in the process and gives the community a greater say in what happens with bad cops and by extension greater ability to track patterns of wrongdoing. The law is an imperfect thing and so are the policies that govern those who enforce it. Is there room for improvement on both fronts? Absolutely. And we should take this time to do exactly that but to claim that police unions protect murderers or that the greater body of law enforcement in America is made up of murders is simply wrong in every way it can be wrong. The taking of human life is ugly and a hideous thing for everyone involved and it should never be done lightly or not thoroughly investigated in the aftermath and bad actors held accountable if discovered. But it does happen with reason on rare occasion. When it does we need to be less hyperbolic about the why and more introspective of the reasons behind the action, working to mitigate those reasons in the aftermath.

Originally Posted by rdneckpilot

we will just have to disagree. Most don’t understand the legal difference between murder and other wrongful death charges so I wasn’t parsing words to be explicit or accurate in that vain. I was not in a union as a LEO. We had lots of transparency and accountability at our department. Just because you and I did not personally see the things I referred to doesn’t mean they don’t happen. If you were actually paying attention you would be aware just as I am.

Originally Posted by neverposts

you see that thats meteor crater. says the pilot. oh no it almost hit that road. says the fa. do you think she would go collect air samples? geez...