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09-16-2020 | 03:56 PM
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Where are you drawing the conclusion that it's "nearly impossible" to fire a bad police officer? I can cite plenty of examples of actual bad police officers being terminated and plenty of others who where NOT bad police officers but were terminated because they ran afoul of someone up their chain or in an office at city hall. And no, it was not clear and that's why I asked. So a union steps in a mitigates punishments and enforce contracts in the in the private sector but no such thing should exist in the public sector? Who will want to do that incredibly underpaid and thankless job knowing you have ZERO protection from arbitrary retaliation? If you want greater accountability and transparency then petition your local government for it and offer to serve on or help create a civilian oversight board, have you done that? Rules for thee but not for me. Got it...
What does a NASA report or an ASAP have to do with anything? No such thing exists in policing to simply file a report and be free of repercussion for making a mistake.Those things have their place and should remain in place but I have no idea what they have to do with the topic.
What does a NASA report or an ASAP have to do with anything? No such thing exists in policing to simply file a report and be free of repercussion for making a mistake.Those things have their place and should remain in place but I have no idea what they have to do with the topic.
Police have legal protections for actions they take while in the line of duty that are adjudicated to be legal and correct. They have unions to protect them when they have 18 complaints of misconduct over 20 years as was the case with the officer who held his knee on George Floyd's neck for eight minutes.
09-16-2020 | 04:56 PM
#262
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Police have legal protections for actions they take while in the line of duty that are adjudicated to be legal and correct. They have unions to protect them when they have 18 complaints of misconduct over 20 years as was the case with the officer who held his knee on George Floyd's neck for eight minutes.
09-16-2020 | 05:07 PM
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09-16-2020 | 08:43 PM
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I don't believe any group working for any government, local, state, or federal should be able to unionize. They are supposed to be public servants. Unions serve a purpose in the private sector but cause real problems when they are accountable to no-one due to being protected by a bureaucracy.
09-16-2020 | 08:49 PM
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Where are you drawing the conclusion that it's "nearly impossible" to fire a bad police officer? I can cite plenty of examples of actual bad police officers being terminated and plenty of others who where NOT bad police officers but were terminated because they ran afoul of someone up their chain or in an office at city hall. And no, it was not clear and that's why I asked. So a union steps in a mitigates punishments and enforce contracts in the in the private sector but no such thing should exist in the public sector? Who will want to do that incredibly underpaid and thankless job knowing you have ZERO protection from arbitrary retaliation? If you want greater accountability and transparency then petition your local government for it and offer to serve on or help create a civilian oversight board, have you done that? Rules for thee but not for me. Got it...
What does a NASA report or an ASAP have to do with anything? No such thing exists in policing to simply file a report and be free of repercussion for making a mistake.Those things have their place and should remain in place but I have no idea what they have to do with the topic.
What does a NASA report or an ASAP have to do with anything? No such thing exists in policing to simply file a report and be free of repercussion for making a mistake.Those things have their place and should remain in place but I have no idea what they have to do with the topic.
09-17-2020 | 01:19 AM
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Just a little more because I know the rebuttals from the BLM supporters here will be that I am racist for saying such things.
I am Cherokee, My grandmother happened to marry white and I identify as white because my mother married white and I am only 25%. My grandmother's sister married black. I have black great uncles, and a bunch of black cousins. My grandfather, uncle, and two cousins are police officers. I am slightly acquainted with race relations and police and their struggles.
I am Cherokee, My grandmother happened to marry white and I identify as white because my mother married white and I am only 25%. My grandmother's sister married black. I have black great uncles, and a bunch of black cousins. My grandfather, uncle, and two cousins are police officers. I am slightly acquainted with race relations and police and their struggles.
I can show you historical data of black slaves, mixed slaves, Indians, mixed Indians who had the same views as their master’s and oppressors, the ideology that they should be oppressed.
Does it matter the color of skin of the slave or former slave who supports slavery? Even if his/her family and grandchildren are free. It does not matter what skin color or mixture your gran-uncle is or passes as.
If white slave owners were promulgating an ideology and their slaves agreed with his or her ideology does that make slavery right?The better half of the world abandoned such primitive and barbaric ideology while the U.S capitalized on it as long as we could. This helped put our “United States” economy ahead of its peers.
Congrats we did well economically in the 1700’s and better half of the 1800’s, but at what cost?
In conclusion, I’ll debunking your thought process with this.... a mixed race slave supporting the ideology of his white master does not make the white masters ideology correct.
I don’t care what race you are. I care about your ideology!
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09-17-2020 | 01:29 AM
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This was a common practice of slave owners, they used “black faces” to promote their pro-slavery ideologies. They used various tactics much like your using, black faces. They used black slaves to influence other White Slave Owners “look here what this negro has to say, he’s on board you should be too.”
Your not fooling anyone. I don’t care if your Indian or black, how mixed your great uncle or grand fathers lineage was.
Your ideology and use of black faces to support it is very reminiscent tactics of the Old Guard. This is what is troubling.
If you love facts and want to dive deeper, do a historical search/research on how *Hitler used the Church to promote his causes.*
I am not a liberal, I am a person of strong faith, my race or mixture of race does not matter if you want to try & group me, classify me, or discredit me racially, politically or via my faith.
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09-17-2020 | 01:48 AM
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This is the worse response in the whole thread. Where has one person here mentioned slavery was not a terrible thing? This debate has absolutely nothing to do with believing people should be in chains. Also historically you are incorrect despite a few European countries most of the world practiced slavery well into the 20th century. Did you conveniently forget the 100,000s American lives lost to end slavery in this country?
Your missing the point, examples, ideology.
This is a good conversation.
Hope it continues in a positive trajectory.
09-17-2020 | 05:14 AM
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This was a common practice of slave owners, they used “black faces” to promote their pro-slavery ideologies. They used various tactics much like your using, black faces. They used black slaves to influence other White Slave Owners “look here what this negro has to say, he’s on board you should be too.”
Your not fooling anyone. I don’t care if your Indian or black, how mixed your great uncle or grand fathers lineage was.
Your ideology and use of black faces to support it is very reminiscent tactics of the Old Guard. This is what is troubling.
If you love facts and want to dive deeper, do a historical search/research on how *Hitler used the Church to promote his causes.*
I am not a liberal, I am a person of strong faith, my race or mixture of race does not matter if you want to try & group me, classify me, or discredit me racially, politically or via my faith.
Your not fooling anyone. I don’t care if your Indian or black, how mixed your great uncle or grand fathers lineage was.
Your ideology and use of black faces to support it is very reminiscent tactics of the Old Guard. This is what is troubling.
If you love facts and want to dive deeper, do a historical search/research on how *Hitler used the Church to promote his causes.*
I am not a liberal, I am a person of strong faith, my race or mixture of race does not matter if you want to try & group me, classify me, or discredit me racially, politically or via my faith.
Very adept attempt to call these scholars Uncle Toms. There are plenty of white professors who come to the same conclusions but I don't post them because if you attack the black scholars in such a way there is no telling how you would treat the white ones.
I am not promoting anything. I am posting researched facts. I have said freedom is hard. Choices have consequences. We need to investigate why our youth are increasingly making poor choices. All you have done is call Dr. Thomas Sowell, Candace Owens, Tommy Sotamayor, Dr. Walt Williams, Jason Riley, Brandon Tatum, Coleman Hughes, Glen Loury, and John McWhorter Uncle Toms.
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