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Old 09-13-2020 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I'm going to call you on this one. Most people don't give two sh*^s about someone else's color, wealth, or lot in life. There is an entire industry out there though that not only point out these things ad nauseum but profit handily by doing so.
I think that dude is just trying to be cute with his Avatar. Pretending to speak as Satan.
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Old 09-13-2020 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
You don't have violence between different races or the same race if people are taught as children to respect each other and respect authority. It is this lack of respect for each other that causes many interactions with police to go bad. Both sides could use a little more respect for each other.

The scariest statistic for blacks and the thing we should all be talking about is that in 2018 2925 blacks were killed; 2600 of them by other blacks. The victims and offenders were overwhelmingly male. What is happening to our society and values?
I'm not sure why people talk about "black on black" killings as if it is a pathology unique to one particular race. A cursory glance of history will tell us that is not the case.

We are human beings, and as humans, we are capable of doing some really sh**** stuff to each other.

Crime, sadly, is a reality in any society, be it on a local, regional, or national level, and logically, it is not surprising that where there's a concentration of any one race, the majority of the crimes committed by people in that race will be against their own.

For this reason, the majority of whites in America are killed by whites and the majority of blacks are killed by blacks.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN24I2A9

It is a false equivalency, (and the numerical difference is unimportant given the narrative that some are trying to spin), to compare the killings committed by ordinary citizens against each other, irrespective of race, with the suspect killings of citizens by law enforcement, who are sworn to uphold the law, and possess state sanctioned power to detain, arrest and take one's life if deemed necessary.

Life is sacred. The authority and power to take it is a tremendous responsibility that must not be abused or taken lightly, and citizens have the right to demand that those who abuse or misuse this power be held accountable.

The idea therefore, that some are opposed to others speaking out and protesting against this problem is a real head scratcher for me.

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Old 09-13-2020 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
I'm not sure why people talk about "black on black" killings as if it is a pathology unique to one particular race. A cursory glance of history will tell us that is not the case.

We are human beings, and as humans, we are capable of doing some really sh**** stuff to each other.

Crime, sadly, is a reality in any society, be it on a local, regional, or national level, and logically, it is not surprising that where there's a concentration of any one race, the majority of the crimes committed by people in that race will be against their own.

For this reason, the majority of whites in America are killed by whites and the majority of blacks are killed by blacks.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKCN24I2A9

It is a false equivalency, (and the numerical difference is unimportant given the narrative that some are trying to spin), to compare the killings committed by ordinary citizens against each other, irrespective of race, with the suspect killings of citizens by law enforcement, who have sworn to uphold the law, and possess state sanctioned power to detain, arrest and take one's life if deemed necessary.

Life is sacred. The authority and power to take it is a tremendous responsibility that must not be abused or taken lightly, and citizens have the right to demand that those who abuse or misuse this power be held accountable.

The idea therefore, that some are opposed to others speaking out and protesting against this problem is a real head scratcher for me.

It isn't a false equivalency and the numerical difference is very relevant. The total number of deaths in the FBI statistics for 2018 were 2925 black deaths and 3315 white deaths by homicide. This is a difference between races of less than 300. The population difference though is, according to the census bureau, nearly 200 million. This is a startling statistic pointing to a real problem.

Killing is terrible in all its forms, but to make an argument that civilians killing each other is fine in alarming numbers as long as cops don't kill ten or twelve more in difficult, often confusing circumstances is indefensible.
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Old 09-13-2020 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
It isn't a false equivalency and the numerical difference is very relevant. The total number of deaths in the FBI statistics for 2018 were 2925 black deaths and 3315 white deaths by homicide. This is a difference between races of less than 300. The population difference though is, according to the census bureau, nearly 200 million. This is a startling statistic pointing to a real problem.

Killing is terrible in all its forms, but to make an argument that civilians killing each other is fine in alarming numbers as long as cops don't kill ten or twelve more in difficult, often confusing circumstances is indefensible.
One thing interesting about the government report on national homicide rates was the differences in men and women. It took into consideration not just the total number of homicides, but those as a percentage of each represented racial group. It showed that black men were more likely to be murdered than white men, but that white women were more likely to be murdered than black women. That has nothing to to with the BLM discussion, but I just found it interesting.
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Old 09-13-2020 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
It isn't a false equivalency and the numerical difference is very relevant. The total number of deaths in the FBI statistics for 2018 were 2925 black deaths and 3315 white deaths by homicide. This is a difference between races of less than 300. The population difference though is, according to the census bureau, nearly 200 million. This is a startling statistic pointing to a real problem.

Killing is terrible in all its forms, but to make an argument that civilians killing each other is fine in alarming numbers as long as cops don't kill ten or twelve more in difficult, often confusing circumstances is indefensible.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Where did I say civilians killing each other is fine?!! Lol

They are both tragic circumstances, but my point is that law enforcement must be held to a higher standard because of their powers, their duty to uphold the law and departmental policies, and well, they should know better.

We therefore shouldn't shrug our shoulders and say "Well, blacks are killing blacks in record numbers and are not being held accountable, so it is unfair to hold law enforcement accountable because they kill much less blacks!"

It sounds to me like if I stated the well known quote related to justice: "It is better that 100 guilty men go free, than 1 innocent man be convicted.", you would accuse me of advocating for criminals not be punished for their crimes. hahaha

You missed my point brother.

P. S. And FWIW, I am very pro L.E.

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Old 09-13-2020 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
I'm not sure why people talk about "black on black" killings as if it is a pathology unique to one particular race. A cursory glance of history will tell us that is not the case.

We are human beings, and as humans, we are capable of doing some really sh**** stuff to each other.

Crime, sadly, is a reality in any society, be it on a local, regional, or national level, and logically, it is not surprising that where there's a concentration of any one race, the majority of the crimes committed by people in that race will be against their own.

For this reason, the majority of whites in America are killed by whites and the majority of blacks are killed by blacks.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKCN24I2A9

It is a false equivalency, (and the numerical difference is unimportant given the narrative that some are trying to spin), to compare the killings committed by ordinary citizens against each other, irrespective of race, with the suspect killings of citizens by law enforcement, who are sworn to uphold the law, and possess state sanctioned power to detain, arrest and take one's life if deemed necessary.

Life is sacred. The authority and power to take it is a tremendous responsibility that must not be abused or taken lightly, and citizens have the right to demand that those who abuse or misuse this power be held accountable.

The idea therefore, that some are opposed to others speaking out and protesting against this problem is a real head scratcher for me.

Who's not being held accountable?
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Old 09-13-2020 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Who's not being held accountable?
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2 cops ambushed in Compton by another poor disenfranchised innocent black youth. This is disgusting, taking political advice from a high school drop out basketball player. Can't wait to sport my BLM (Blue) tie at work!
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Old 09-13-2020 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Where did I say civilians killing each other is fine?!! Lol

They are both tragic circumstances, but my point is that law enforcement must be held to a higher standard because of their powers, their duty to uphold the law and departmental policies, and well, they should know better.

We therefore shouldn't shrug our shoulders and say "Well, blacks are killing blacks in record numbers and are not being held accountable, so it is unfair to hold law enforcement accountable because they kill much less blacks!"

It sounds to me like if I stated the well known quote related to justice: "It is better that 100 guilty men go free, than 1 innocent man be convicted.", you would accuse me of advocating for criminals not be punished for their crimes. hahaha

You missed my point brother.

P. S. And FWIW, I am very pro L.E.

I didn't intend to come down so hard but numbers don't lie. In 2019 the number of unarmed blacks killed by police was between nine and fifteen. The point I am making is that there is so much outrage and allegations of racism with that relatively small number of deaths while almost no outrage at the unthinkable number of our youth being killed every day by our own (all races). I am sickened to see how some people and groups are using a small number of situations to profit. Of those 9-15 shootings most are eventually born out to be justifiable but so much damage is done by mischaracterizing and demagoguing the situation and another generation grows up to mistrust authority and the cycle continues.
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Old 09-13-2020 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pipewrench
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2 cops ambushed in Compton by another poor disenfranchised innocent black youth. This is disgusting, taking political advice from a high school drop out basketball player. Can't wait to sport my BLM (Blue) tie at work!
Don't forget the "protesters" who were outside the hospital the officers were at and tried to breach security to get in. Haven't seen that part covered by any MSM though.
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Old 09-13-2020 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I didn't intend to come down so hard but numbers don't lie. In 2019 the number of unarmed blacks killed by police was between nine and fifteen. The point I am making is that there is so much outrage and allegations of racism with that relatively small number of deaths while almost no outrage at the unthinkable number of our youth being killed every day by our own (all races). I am sickened to see how some people and groups are using a small number of situations to profit. Of those 9-15 shootings most are eventually born out to be justifiable but so much damage is done by mischaracterizing and demagoguing the situation and another generation grows up to mistrust authority and the cycle continues.
The whoa, whoa, whoa was not because I thought you came down hard. Far from it. It was for the blatant misrepresentation of what I said. Lol

Its all good though, the record has been corrected.

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