Agree 100%.

Most New hires will all have friends at other carriers to compare notes. Not to mention web boards like this.

Responding to everyone I was just stating a worry, I am not convinced it will happen. I hope we can unite and push for a unified pilot group and a much better contract. It’s just gotten real bad at the wholly owned’s the past couple years the vast majority of co workers seem they would be more than happy with the current QoL AA has. I know I will be but maybe I’ll learn more soon. That’s all I was saying.

That’s a deliberate feeling. AA would be successful in treating the WO like crap and have them happy (with status quo) when they get here. Keep your eye on the prize though. Things will be better for you when you get here and even better when we pattern bargain with DL/UAL. A United pilot group or at least United as DL/UAL is priority one.

Are the Reno Air guys/gals all retired?

Nope. Quite a few are LAX based.

What you pro ALPA folks seem to be missing is that there’s a fundamental difference between UAL/DAL and AA, and it’s significantly more important than the name of your union. DAL and UAL aren’t negotiating with Doug Parker, we are. I don’t care how strong your union is or how competent your negotiators are, you need some good faith negotiations coming back at you from across the table. If one party’s sole intent is to drag out negotiations forever only to be put on ice by some judge 5 years down the road, then no union on earth can secure an ILC.

Might want to talk to some of your Delta buddies on that account.

Yes, if you ask an exTWA pilot, they will be proud they started at TWA. There has always been a certain class act about the airline and the pilots that flew their birds. (Not me saying that, but many other legacy pilots have said that.) Indeed, their slogan was an airline run by flyers. On any given day you could be paired with Jack Fry, the CEO, in the left seat or the owner, Howard Hughes. With all his eccentricities, Howard was a darn fine pilot.

It has been almost 20 years, most of the CA have retired. Most of the FO that got the staple to the bottom have become CA. If you ask, you can understand why they feel they got the shaft (hence the Mccaskill-Bond act prevents that from ever happening to someone in the future.) But, as a whole, they have said to let bygones be bygones, let’s move ahead and make the most of the time (and good money) they still have until retirement. They are just glad they get paid for doing something the enjoy. 😀

Doug actually agreed to some very good work rules at AWA. He gave the mechanics an industry leading contract just prior to Covid. What it will take is for the pilot group to collectively grow a pair and let DP know we will no longer work for less than industry standard. The mechanics laid out the playbook. There leaders were very vocal and the operation fell apart. Then they got an injunction. Following that things remained f@cked up. Then they got a contract.

Your timeline is a bit off. The mechanics in fact were not happy with the final contract offer because of outsourcing, and they did not sign it pre COVID. They signed during COVID because Parker honored his last offer and they knew the position of strength was gone. Shoot the whole airline might be. If not for COVID they’d still be without a contract.

I took that as he was referring to a AWA mechanic contract back in the day.

This pilot group will never get a contract they deserve. Too diversified, too many inequities and to much RLA. Oh and too much hot air.

After the 2013 merger, who negotiated:
1: pay raises
2: profit sharing (not great, noted)
3: positive space travel passes for two
4. $1000
?….

5. Average calendar day
6. got rid of social security offset for LTD.

Improvements have been made, but only when Parker really needed some kind of relief from us.

Last pay raises were gifted to us by management.

"ding ding ding......we have a winner!!!"

Items 5 & 6 cost us. I am staring to think the company came out on the better end of those two.

Doug Parker wasn't negotiating in 1963. APA has turned in very consistent crappy results from day one.

Bump. Can we stop with this foolish now?

Absolutely not.

But, but, but, ALPA!! Everything will be better with ALPA!!

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Lemme add a few items...

Who gave the jump seat weight protection away? Or the last leg trip swap? Because it didn't make sense, or because a certain pilot group never had it. Who introduced us to red/redder?

Can’t give away something you never had! lol

Or that wasn't invented here! Thanks, TW.

Why wouldn’t we want all the tools, member resources, and voice of ALPA?

Seems logical.

It’s not like we have a history of winning under APA…

Here's one reason... Spirit and JetBlue JCBA. Why didn't you go to an ALPA carrier? Let me guess..flow pilot.

Well that was useless, and your wrong.

Okay.. care to explain?

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Sure. It's s actually "you're wrong". Next!

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Exactly.. he can't explain nor spell :-) Good catch! lol