But Envoy is THE original H youth.... they have a special seat at our table

17 pages in and how much closer are we to actually getting a vote for ALPA?

This is something that seriously needs to be in the works.

I remember having the One List discussion at AE around 2000. APA: “NOPE!” Of course it came back up in ‘01-‘02. APA: “YES!” BUT, I had it explained to me that it would “obviously” be a staple and all mainline furloughees would essentially push the entire AE seniority list to the street...BUT this was a good thing because when the recalls started, all former AE pilots would be returning to AA. *HOWEVER* (and this was my favorite part), once everyone was recalled AA would still be able to hire off the street pilots that would be SENIOR to the former AE pilots because “How is it fair to have a fella do a career in the military and then come to American Airlines, and have no option but to fly in the right seat of a SAAB340?”. So THAT “proposal” was obviously put in the trash and the whip-saw continued. I still laugh when I think about the cahones of the guy explaining it to me.

One list. All AA pilots are ahead in seniority of all Envoy pilots. Then the 1800 pilots hired this year and last year would flow back and displace the top 1800 pilots at envoy.

street hires at AA are automatically higher seniority than the 25 year career guy at Envoy, to include flow back rights.

is that what you’re asking for?

Is Envoy the only wholly owned airline with flow through because the pilots there are subject to more strenuous hiring standards because they are really essentially already American Airlines pilots???

You need to work on your grammar. Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont have “flow” programs in their contract.

The hiring standards working at either of the 3 regionals listed above is not even relatively close compared to the standards held for off the street hires at American Airlines.

Oh, thanks for the suggestion. I guess I could have just said that people who don’t know that there are three WO airlines with flow agreements probably should refrain from talking about the logistics of flow. Not as fun though. Have it your way....


I think if you don’t know that there are three WO airlines with flow to American that you should not convince yourself that you know enough about the finer details of these legal agreements to speak publicly about them. Happy?

Also the regional interview was much harder than the AA interview

I’m well aware of the interview process conducted at AA. I was fortunate to receive interview invites from both UA and DL, currently at Delta. The application process to be hired at any of the legacy’s requires substantially more requirements as clearly stated when you apply. It’s also a substantially more difficult and lengthy interview process, but makes it all the more rewarding.

That’s what makes the flow so desired, pilots part of the program are able to bypass the interview process. Nobody would apply to the regional WO’s if what you stated was true. If it takes the same experience to directly apply to AA why waste any time flying a clapped out E145 making subpar pay.

Anyways, you’re most likely some 19 year old envoy cadet with horrific grammar who recently just created an account to receive some answers. That’s good though, after reading your comments it’s clear you have zero grasp on the industry.

Good day

Ahhh yes, the old “my penis is bigger than yours” argument. That was rewarding, too. And pilots are now unified again.

Its almost as if I wasn’t talking about you. Hard to believe right?

You’re harping on me for grammar in a post where I was being as sarcastic as possible to make a point. It’s kind of funny that I have to explain this to you. Did you choose Delta because you like wearing a hat?

There’s a difference between higher standards to get invited to an interview and an interview being hard. Am I going to have to explain every sentence I write to you?

It seems you like to hang out in the regional forums, bragging about being a legacy pilot and spreading your superior understanding of the industry. Why don’t you stick to your normal haunts, I think you have more success making yourself feel better over there.

Actually I’m going to revise that. Not only do you brag about being a legacy pilot to regional guys, your favorite activity is hanging out in Envoy threads and telling them that they’ll soon be out of a job when American “inevitably goes under”. Great guy!

This guy is "well aware" of the interview process at AA but then goes on to say that he didn't interview at AA.

Go home, you're drunk.

And let us not forget to include the “my paycheck was bigger than yours” Annual Salary Survey thread, which really gets rolling’ at about this same time every year.

(yawn),.......So predictable.

It's a bizarre thread. But sometimes I'm inspired by it. I saw a FedEx guy did absurdly well given their seat and longevity and though well damn I need to do that.

You don’t think I have friends who gave me a step by step explanation on how the interview experience was conducted at AA? Most individuals who’ve actually sat down for an interview at a legacy knows for the most part, each interview at the big 3 is conducted in the same manner. It’s a copy cat league if you hadn’t already noticed.

Unfortunately your grammar is so horrific it’s difficult to comprehend any content you post on the forums.

You made a ridiculous claim that BOTH the interview and requirements to interview at mainline AA was easier than whatever regional you supposedly worked for. After that statement you exposed yourself as a complete liar, and as I previously stated, you’re most likely a cadet with zero experience on how this industry works.

Anyone can click one page prior to this and see exactly what I said. They can do the same to see my grammar that you are, for whatever reason, obsessed with. I’ll post the quote in question right here to keep it simple though.

Sample size of one, but my AA interview was much more in depth, longer, with tougher questions than my interview with Envoy.

With Envoy I interviewed with one person and it seemed to be more of a going through the motion than anything else. With AA, 3 people, good questions, wanting to know my thought process, experiences, and overall who I am as a person.

I can’t speak for envoy, but I’m sure the regional interviews are different than they were when I had mine. With AA, the hardest part was getting the interview I think. Did you actually go to work at the regionals?

I remember reading your story but can’t remember... did you go to class here? Hope everything is working out for you

I did fly for a regional and Covid struck before I could start at AA. Not getting into the lack of $$$ flying professionally right now, I simply miss flying just to fly. Staying current flying GA for fun here and there, but nothing like those fun time building days.

Wrong. Have you ever worked in recruiting? The Envoy process mimics the AA interview and entire process almost like a mirror. Envoy is hiring an AA pilot thus the reason the interviews are much, much tougher than say some run of the mill regional like Republic or Skywest. Envoy developed the pipeline cadet program to bring in the most highly qualified applicants that exist and it has done a stellar job.

I don't wish any ill will toward military pilots but the pipeline cadet is the wave of the future. Get used today's pipeline pilot being the military hire of the 80s and 90s. Pipeline pilots are trained specifically for 121 and are far more ready than military pilots when they hit the line at Envoy.

BS. Not even close to the caliber of mainline AA, unless their standards have tanked.

I actually applaud your response. I’ve never read so many blatantly false statements in a single post in any forum, bravo 👏. You’re in the wrong business my friend, Washington D.C. could use your talents.

Trolls gettin trolled. You love to see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXgzgTYTmEY&t=4s

This is why we need ALPA. Pathetic

Wow. That's bad news for FedEx and Delta, then. American will have all the best pilots, and everyone else will have the dregs of aviation: the off-the-street fighter / bomber / cargo military pilots, corporate captains, and non-flow LCAs from regionals. Truly a "b" scale at all those places soon, if you're correct. They might as well fold their operations now.

Envoy* will have all the best pilots. They’re not at American yet.

If the structure of how the union is organized is different, there may be different mechanisms to “persuade” leaders into action. Also, there probably be a shuffle anyway with new elections.

The best pilots like to take their Embraer products off roading.

This thread brought back memories. Eagle interview in 1999 involved a full day of events including a sim eval in the KC-135. Astronaut physical after that—and I mean thorough. Maybe they should go back to that? LOL

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Same for me in 1993. I had a really good experience in the sim check, kind of a once in a lifetime kind of deal.


Its really too bad that the reality of the whole life at AMR/Eagle/AA didn't even come close to the level of professionalism that I got during the sim check and oral. Polar opposites really.

When I left there that day, I knew I had met, and been sim checked by a REAL, Old School, American Airlines Senior Line Captain. It really made an impression upon me.




Capt. Wells, I will never forget you. Thank you Sir!

I so clearly remember my sim check in the older, original wing of the Flight Academy back in 1991. I believe it was a bona-fide 707 sim. The retired AA captain conducting the sim check had a head full of white hair and seemed to be 75 years old to my 26 year old self at the time. He made me feel at ease though. Fun ride. Really enjoyed it.

Yes the old schoolhouse. Wasn’t that a KC-135 sim? At least that’s what I was told. I don’t know the differences. Some years later I walked past it and there were technicians pulling it apart. A guy in my class got one of the yokes.

Yep, the door way to the sim is still in the building on the first floor against the wall in the hall. Covered in squadron stickers.

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Partly true. It was a 707 sim that the Military used for training. Not sure how they changed the flight deck if at all. I was down for recurrent many years back and saw John Travolta using it. Flew it back in 84 but can't remember if it had a visual or camera board. It might have been updated through the years IDK.

Sooo whats the word for april 1st over there at AA?

Warn Letters out again after posting major loss announcement this week per union rep.

may want to call a different rep.