The numbers and money brought to a merger would give APA significant leverage in negotiating terms with ALPA.

The bigger union would give pilots more clout in DC, especially considering a unified PAC. Also, we would all benefit from those within the AA ranks that bring their expertise in the whole spectrum of pilot issues. I believe it would truly strengthen us as a whole.

Does ALPA offer more transparency? APA seems to do a lot “of work” behind closed doors.

Are they made out of glass?

It will happen eventually.

There is no good reason why it shouldn't.

It'll take another merger to happen though. It won't happen on its own unfortunately.

APA, Alpa, teamsters or the VHPA. Pick your poison.

Those of you who think ALPA will be your savior better do a little bit more reading. Now the teamsters...that would be an interesting proposition.

Teamsters? Ask our Atlas brothers and sisters about their contract success? When it was amendable, etc. Or any Teamster carrier for that fact.

If were adding up wins and losses, ALPA carriers have everyone beat.

Maybe any day now APA will get it’s act together right? When is the last time we led?

Despite their shortcomings in the regional world, it’s hard to argue against the success of ALPA. Compare a Delta or United contract to an APA negotiated contract. Better yet, compare it to a foreign flagged airlines “contract.”

I don’t think anyone has said ALPA or any other union would be a savior. The pilots would still have to put the work in.

No union can be effective without a committed group of leaders in their Negotiating Committee/LEC/MEC's, and a pilot group that is willing to follow their lead. Bad leadership is disastrous no matter who's Acronym is hanging on the door. Having all of the major airline pilots under one union umbrella does add to the potential for sharing and cooperation to the real threats to the profession coming in the name of cabotage, JV's and increased automation.

But only if there is one seniority list. And no one will “follow” they’re lead now.

Here's a novel suggestion. Dump APA and let that be the end of it. Save your dues percentage and put it in your own pocket. Seriously, what has the union really done that's so great here in the past 10 years? This idea really should have some traction and it's unbelievable to me that no one has suggested it in the past.

You mean just accept the individual 5yr contracts the company presents you.....like JB used to do before they joined ALPA? If you just dump the union, who negotiates, enforces the contract? Who prevents the company from just outsourcing what they want without any impediment?

So you’re saying have no union? There’s a lot of good reasons why it has no traction.

Where to even start with this post. I'm assuming it's just troll bait. On the off chance you truly believe what you posted take a look at what is happening globally with airline pilots who don't have union representation.

What you're missing here is that Thkooj is incredibly unintelligent. It's almost sad, like we should be nice to him as a charity (almost).

Seriously, look at his post history.

He lives in his own fantasy land.
Ask him about his “military” background.

I've been ALPA and Teamsters. Teamsters? Interesting proposition? I guess it depends on what kind of Interesting you're looking for Lol. Nothing at Teamsters is worth giving up ALPA national resources for, imo. From friends at Atlas there might be a push for them going back to alpa sooner than later.

After the APA’s treatment of ALPA members, there is no good reason it should.

Sorry you are having issues with APA.

Choose your rate, choose your fate.

Serious question. Are you high, right now?

The fact that AMR doesn’t look like British Airways now is a victory.

Do you even think the company would want 10000 different labor contracts scattered over 7 or 10 states?

I would hope that Alta Mesa Resources (AMR) doesn’t look like British airways.

Oh, that's who got the name after the last time American went bankrupt?

I’ll take an ALPA negotiated “rate” any day over the garbage APA “negotiates”

Time to take a serious look at ALPA.

I know there are many with past grudges, and I get that, but a lot have time has past since then.

Without a serious change of direction, how do we change the “group think” in Dallas and bring our pilot group together?

Maybe a new name on the door and a big structural change may help us move forward finally? I guarantee if we don’t make a large shift in action and thought we will continue to watch our careers from the trailing position.

How long has it has it been since we had a leading contact or agreement?

How long do we want to wait and how much will that cost us?

Next, who have been the winners in the last decade? Their representation?

"My advise [sic] is to use your skills or learn a new skill to provide for your family because no one will care for your family like you. please re-direct [sic] your efforts in controlling your future and use your time sending Sound offs [sic] to figuring out options for yourself.

Finally I will be honest with you so you have information that will aide [sic] you in your decisions. I have no desire to cut my pay or support any concessions to mitigate furloughs"

Our current representation doesn't even know what a homonym is....I think I learned these words in second grade which is downright embarrassing in its own right, but talking this way to someone who is struggling to support a family is downright disgusting and shameful.

CA Tim Doreen Jr for ya, DCA vice chair.

Add that to the "we don't care about our furloughed and ZTL pilots and are done pretending like we do" list. Not wanting to take concessions as a line pilot is a completely valid stance, even if it's not one that I personally agree with. The culture of this place is absolute garbage and I want to be a solution rather than a problem. But as an elected union official , you have a fiduciary responsibility to represent a group of pilots and not act on your own whims and wants. He should just look at the survey sent out to get a feel for where the pilot group is at. Wait....

Cherry on top of the sundae is that Timmy is using APA lawyers (paid for by you) to go after these pilots who have posted screenshots of his email onto social media....


We need ALPA but we also need these guys far away from any position of power.

I posted screenshots of Timmy's masterpieces one page back.

different thread and I think this should be plastered everywhere.

See ya in the court room buddy, wanna share a lawyer?

Haha..good catch. And yeah, I'll call a well respected Philadelphia businessman to represent us.

sounds like a clown.

I never understood why AA pilot group didn't go with ALPA after the merger.

I would assume that so much of the hesitancy has to do with the support staff at APA. ALPA already has the people that APA has, and I doubt they want to carry the additional staff in DFW when everything is already centered in Tysons Corner and the satellite offices around the country for the MEC’s.

What’s up with the NC chair resigning after a couple of days in that position?

Perhaps got a look under the hood and said "F this I'm out."

similar to the Irish mob

Tough gig right now. What's in the best long-term interest of the pilot group? Do you try to do damage control and minimize short-term carnage, or try to help the company setup for long-term survival? Are those mutually exclusive? Nobody knows.

How about... "Try not to sign industry-worst LOAs."

Then, and I know this is a stretch, "try to accomplish even a fraction of what the other airline unions have accomplished."

As posted above me, none of what APA has done is defensible.


Is APA right and Delta ALPA and United ALPA horrible wrong? I'm gonna stick with Occam on this one

I'm just saying it would suck to be the NC guy right now.

It would suck..if you were trying to find creative solutions to avoid furloughs like every other airline did. Meanwhile the BOD is perfectly fine with just tossing everyone on the street with no thought given on now to prevent it.