View Poll Results: Will AA declare bankruptcy?
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219
70.65%
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91
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Bankruptcy
#441
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I’m not a pro pilot anymore, but thanks for the advice. I’m not married either because of my looks and personality.
#445
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#446
He/She does not fly for a regional. Thanks for saying regional pilots are not real pilots, wait you work for Envoy correct? AA probably will/should file for chapter 11. I’ve never read anything he/she said about “WO’s being trash”.
You should go apply for CNN with your fake “facts” followed by a response throwing shade based on wrong information.
You should go apply for CNN with your fake “facts” followed by a response throwing shade based on wrong information.
The basis upon which he formed his personal analysis and conclusions is data, and that’s fine for him. Opine away, that’s what the cesspool is for, right? But don’t feign surprise that people challenge you, sometimes on a personal level, when you constantly tell them that the source of stability in their lives will abruptly come to an end. This becomes more true when you consider that his negative opinions about all things AA started well before covid. Can you blame anyone for speculating about why he hates this company so fervently?
As for you, the story is much the same but with a couple key differences. The biggest being, you just come to say insane things like we should declare bankruptcy now, despite the fact that AA expects to end 1Q21 with $17+B liquidity (not including $3B in payroll support). Sprinkle in your propensity to bring politics into conversations where no one is discussing anything political, and I think you’ll very quickly understand why people react the way they do to this kind of behavior.
#447
I think he may have confused it with my saying that flow-type programs are trash, but that wasn’t a comment directed at AA WOs but rather a general comment that I believe applies equally to Aviate, DGI, and whatever Alaska has going with Horizon. The purpose of these programs is to staff the regional, not the major.
The major can pretty much hire all the quality people they want OTS and what most of them would really prefer is military fixed wing pilots who have separated after their ADSC is up (10 years for UPT), are still in the Reserves (although that may change with the USERRA CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS) or are retired after 20+ years. And that isn’t because any of these guys/gals are more of a ‘hot stick’ than anyone that came through the regional route, but rather they are getting someone who is a known quantity, oftentimes already with a pension or military healthcare benefits, who is not particularly union oriented, and who is old enough that they will not spend an inordinate amount of their remaining career at the top of the pay scale or getting maximum vacation time.
So yeah, I have been extremely critical of programs that claim to be a pathway from a regional - wholly owned or merely affiliated - to a major that then chokes that flow down maximally to keep the regional staffed. And we’ve all seen that happen. And my recommendation has been universally - not picking on AA, that regional pilots ought to keep their apps current, their resumes up to date, and aggressively pursue any major they would be willing to work for since they are pretty much ALL better than ANY regional. Basically, the older they are when you hire them the cheaper the unit cost.
Clearly, some people are so emotionally invested in their DGI/Aviate/flow/Horizon Pathways Program they don’t believe that or are offended I voice such an opinion. More fool them. You can lead a horse to water....etc.
The major can pretty much hire all the quality people they want OTS and what most of them would really prefer is military fixed wing pilots who have separated after their ADSC is up (10 years for UPT), are still in the Reserves (although that may change with the USERRA CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS) or are retired after 20+ years. And that isn’t because any of these guys/gals are more of a ‘hot stick’ than anyone that came through the regional route, but rather they are getting someone who is a known quantity, oftentimes already with a pension or military healthcare benefits, who is not particularly union oriented, and who is old enough that they will not spend an inordinate amount of their remaining career at the top of the pay scale or getting maximum vacation time.
So yeah, I have been extremely critical of programs that claim to be a pathway from a regional - wholly owned or merely affiliated - to a major that then chokes that flow down maximally to keep the regional staffed. And we’ve all seen that happen. And my recommendation has been universally - not picking on AA, that regional pilots ought to keep their apps current, their resumes up to date, and aggressively pursue any major they would be willing to work for since they are pretty much ALL better than ANY regional. Basically, the older they are when you hire them the cheaper the unit cost.
Clearly, some people are so emotionally invested in their DGI/Aviate/flow/Horizon Pathways Program they don’t believe that or are offended I voice such an opinion. More fool them. You can lead a horse to water....etc.
#448
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I think he may have confused it with my saying that flow-type programs are trash, but that wasn’t a comment directed at AA WOs but rather a general comment that I believe applies equally to Aviate, DGI, and whatever Alaska has going with Horizon. The purpose of these programs is to staff the regional, not the major.
The major can pretty much hire all the quality people they want OTS and what most of them would really prefer is military fixed wing pilots who have separated after their ADSC is up (10 years for UPT), are still in the Reserves (although that may change with the USERRA CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS) or are retired after 20+ years. And that isn’t because any of these guys/gals are more of a ‘hot stick’ than anyone that came through the regional route, but rather they are getting someone who is a known quantity, oftentimes already with a pension or military healthcare benefits, who is not particularly union oriented, and who is old enough that they will not spend an inordinate amount of their remaining career at the top of the pay scale or getting maximum vacation time.
So yeah, I have been extremely critical of programs that claim to be a pathway from a regional - wholly owned or merely affiliated - to a major that then chokes that flow down maximally to keep the regional staffed. And we’ve all seen that happen. And my recommendation has been universally - not picking on AA, that regional pilots ought to keep their apps current, their resumes up to date, and aggressively pursue any major they would be willing to work for since they are pretty much ALL better than ANY regional. Basically, the older they are when you hire them the cheaper the unit cost.
Clearly, some people are so emotionally invested in their DGI/Aviate/flow/Horizon Pathways Program they don’t believe that or are offended I voice such an opinion. More fool them. You can lead a horse to water....etc.
The major can pretty much hire all the quality people they want OTS and what most of them would really prefer is military fixed wing pilots who have separated after their ADSC is up (10 years for UPT), are still in the Reserves (although that may change with the USERRA CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS) or are retired after 20+ years. And that isn’t because any of these guys/gals are more of a ‘hot stick’ than anyone that came through the regional route, but rather they are getting someone who is a known quantity, oftentimes already with a pension or military healthcare benefits, who is not particularly union oriented, and who is old enough that they will not spend an inordinate amount of their remaining career at the top of the pay scale or getting maximum vacation time.
So yeah, I have been extremely critical of programs that claim to be a pathway from a regional - wholly owned or merely affiliated - to a major that then chokes that flow down maximally to keep the regional staffed. And we’ve all seen that happen. And my recommendation has been universally - not picking on AA, that regional pilots ought to keep their apps current, their resumes up to date, and aggressively pursue any major they would be willing to work for since they are pretty much ALL better than ANY regional. Basically, the older they are when you hire them the cheaper the unit cost.
Clearly, some people are so emotionally invested in their DGI/Aviate/flow/Horizon Pathways Program they don’t believe that or are offended I voice such an opinion. More fool them. You can lead a horse to water....etc.
#450
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I'm a single guy. Been pretty much all my life. Not sure what you're getting at, other than showing you're deflecting.
I'm just saying it's obvious you have a disdain toward AA for some reason. I'm genuinely curious as to why. It's not normal for someone to constantly post financial articles predicting the fall of AA. I could see posting an article or two, but this is a constant posting of yours. Not many people would say it as much as you do unless you get all giddy thinking about AA collapsing.
I'm just saying it's obvious you have a disdain toward AA for some reason. I'm genuinely curious as to why. It's not normal for someone to constantly post financial articles predicting the fall of AA. I could see posting an article or two, but this is a constant posting of yours. Not many people would say it as much as you do unless you get all giddy thinking about AA collapsing.
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