Best / worst of American’s pilot contract?
05-25-2021, 05:42 PM
#151
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Originally Posted by biigD
There's no way to know without knowing the future with regard to widebodies, the size of the pilot group, future contracts, etc. Could my seniority make up for some of the areas where our contract is lacking? Hopefully, but who knows without knowing how things will look in 10, 20, or 30 years? I try not to get caught up in thinking about this stuff because I'm already on the seniority list and it's not like I'm gonna leave at this point anyway. I vote for union reps, fill out surveys, try to stay knowledgable, and vote yes/no when the time comes. That's about all I have any control over.
What I *do* know is that I enjoy being here - the trips and crews in my base (NYC) are great, I'm one of those weirdos that actually enjoys flying the 737, the chiefs leave us alone, and every two weeks a large sum of money shows up in my bank account. My personal life has me surrounded by doctors, lawyers and a handful of tech guys, and I'm constantly reminded of just how good I have it. Do I wish we had Delta's contract? Absolutely, and I'll happily keep pulling in the same direction as my union to work towards it. I also wish our management was as committed to running a good airline as Delta's. But I'm not going to let that sour how I see the overall situation here at AA - that it's a really, really good ****ing job.
What I *do* know is that I enjoy being here - the trips and crews in my base (NYC) are great, I'm one of those weirdos that actually enjoys flying the 737, the chiefs leave us alone, and every two weeks a large sum of money shows up in my bank account. My personal life has me surrounded by doctors, lawyers and a handful of tech guys, and I'm constantly reminded of just how good I have it. Do I wish we had Delta's contract? Absolutely, and I'll happily keep pulling in the same direction as my union to work towards it. I also wish our management was as committed to running a good airline as Delta's. But I'm not going to let that sour how I see the overall situation here at AA - that it's a really, really good ****ing job.
05-25-2021, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
Which work rules are better specifically that you want to talk about/compare?
profit sharing was addressed by the company’s last proposal. Not that it makes a difference this year or last or most likely next year.
premium is available all the time. I personally don’t fly on my days off.
the main work rule id like to see fixed is footprint of RO. And be able to order trips within layers of PBS.
Yeah, the seniority projection is a ton but our (my) QOL is pretty good as a line holder. Haven’t bid reserve under the AA system so I’m not qualified to talk about it. I liked the LUS system.
profit sharing was addressed by the company’s last proposal. Not that it makes a difference this year or last or most likely next year.
premium is available all the time. I personally don’t fly on my days off.
the main work rule id like to see fixed is footprint of RO. And be able to order trips within layers of PBS.
Yeah, the seniority projection is a ton but our (my) QOL is pretty good as a line holder. Haven’t bid reserve under the AA system so I’m not qualified to talk about it. I liked the LUS system.
05-25-2021, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by watch
thanks. Guess I’ve been hearing a bit about reassignments and issues with DOTC from AA pilots. And delta pilots are known for talking about “green slip” opportunity.
Also I believe delta green slips pay 200%
United premium is 150% and can be 200%
AA is 150% and has been 200% (green Xmas).
If I’m the next contract we get 200% for premium I’d probably consider grabbing some. But for 150% it doesn’t lure me away from my off time. Hope all that makes sense.
05-26-2021, 06:39 AM
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If a NB FO is home based in LGA and wants to hustle a bit (16 days working per month), what's the average monthly credit they could get? Someone who learns how to bid, uses whatever bidding tools are available, etc.
05-26-2021, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by watch
If a NB FO is home based in LGA and wants to hustle a bit (16 days working per month), what's the average monthly credit they could get? Someone who learns how to bid, uses whatever bidding tools are available, etc.
Obviously doing the above requires a little seniority, but NYC is so junior it doesn't take long. I'm too much of a control freak about my schedule to pick up premium or play the games that get guys well into the 100s, but that's possible too if you're not as concerned about when you work or where you go.
05-26-2021, 07:10 PM
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thanks.
If you used your seniority to get a nice line, or picked up a high-demand trip, what are the pay ramifications if it gets changed? Say you have a two day to Cancun with a 30 hour layover in February. Show up and get reassigned to a four-leg that has a short overnight in Bismarck, ND. Same exact "time away from base" for each trip, in this example.
Do you have to accept the change? If you don't, what are the pay ramifications? If you do accept it, do you get any bonus?
Also, how often does this happen?
If you used your seniority to get a nice line, or picked up a high-demand trip, what are the pay ramifications if it gets changed? Say you have a two day to Cancun with a 30 hour layover in February. Show up and get reassigned to a four-leg that has a short overnight in Bismarck, ND. Same exact "time away from base" for each trip, in this example.
Do you have to accept the change? If you don't, what are the pay ramifications? If you do accept it, do you get any bonus?
Also, how often does this happen?
05-26-2021, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by watch
thanks.
If you used your seniority to get a nice line, or picked up a high-demand trip, what are the pay ramifications if it gets changed? Say you have a two day to Cancun with a 30 hour layover in February. Show up and get reassigned to a four-leg that has a short overnight in Bismarck, ND. Same exact "time away from base" for each trip, in this example.
Do you have to accept the change? If you don't, what are the pay ramifications? If you do accept it, do you get any bonus?
Also, how often does this happen?
If you used your seniority to get a nice line, or picked up a high-demand trip, what are the pay ramifications if it gets changed? Say you have a two day to Cancun with a 30 hour layover in February. Show up and get reassigned to a four-leg that has a short overnight in Bismarck, ND. Same exact "time away from base" for each trip, in this example.
Do you have to accept the change? If you don't, what are the pay ramifications? If you do accept it, do you get any bonus?
Also, how often does this happen?
Other than that I’d get hired somewhere and not look back. Not many have multiple legacy offers at the same time.
05-27-2021, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by watch
thanks.
If you used your seniority to get a nice line, or picked up a high-demand trip, what are the pay ramifications if it gets changed? Say you have a two day to Cancun with a 30 hour layover in February. Show up and get reassigned to a four-leg that has a short overnight in Bismarck, ND. Same exact "time away from base" for each trip, in this example.
Do you have to accept the change? If you don't, what are the pay ramifications? If you do accept it, do you get any bonus?
Also, how often does this happen?
If you used your seniority to get a nice line, or picked up a high-demand trip, what are the pay ramifications if it gets changed? Say you have a two day to Cancun with a 30 hour layover in February. Show up and get reassigned to a four-leg that has a short overnight in Bismarck, ND. Same exact "time away from base" for each trip, in this example.
Do you have to accept the change? If you don't, what are the pay ramifications? If you do accept it, do you get any bonus?
Also, how often does this happen?
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