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Old 05-15-2021, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
The staffing at AA is a mystery. We will see a lot of new hires in the next year. The actual number is anyone’s guess. We have vacancies where 30 openings are posted and they award 10 or 60. It’s a crap shoot. AA has a lot of retirements coming up. If we plan to be the same size, massive hiring will have to occur.
Retirements in the next 20 years:
Good updated information.

Remember some of those out years numbers will increase as some of the new hires will be older, thus reach mandatory retirement age before 2040.

Further, my crystal ball says in 2040 AA will have grown. So, more hiring will be required.
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Old 05-15-2021, 09:52 AM
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AA already announced 300 new hires for fall 2021, and 600 for 2022. There are rumors that those numbers reflect the low end of the hiring spectrum, with COVID recovery (or lack thereof) liable to adjust those.
As reference, 2018, the biggest hiring year, was 939 new hires. (2019 was a bit less. All the Mad Dog retirements caused the school house to be jammed with retraining, slowing new hires.)
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AA already announced 300 new hires for fall 2021, and 600 for 2022. There are rumors that those numbers reflect the low end of the hiring spectrum, with COVID recovery (or lack thereof) liable to adjust those numbers. That announcement has been discussed on this forum already.

What sort of “short term plan” are you looking for beyond that?
It was "up to 300" and "up to 600" if I remember correctly from the announcement.
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Old 05-16-2021, 03:47 AM
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Interesting analysis on BTL on how understaffed NB will be this summer.
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Interesting analysis on BTL on how understaffed NB will be this summer.
care to share I'm off the book of faces.

I can tell you that new York is catastrophically understaffed at the moment.
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I can tell you that new York is catastrophically understaffed at the moment.
Yeah, Dallas too apparently. Mentioned it in a different thread, but I just flew with a (737) FO that credited over 180 hours in March. There's premium all over the place for those that want it. We're still fat on the CA side in NYC, but I expect things to change over the summer - I've moved up over 20 spots since prior to covid, but nobody is filling in at the bottom.
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Yeah, Dallas too apparently. Mentioned it in a different thread, but I just flew with a (737) FO that credited over 180 hours in March. There's premium all over the place for those that want it. We're still fat on the CA side in NYC, but I expect things to change over the summer - I've moved up over 20 spots since prior to covid, but nobody is filling in at the bottom.
and this is the problem. The August vacancy did nothing to fill in the bottom ranks of ANY CA positions. Obviously the Aug vacancy was to get all the off the street guys(FOs) back into positions. Hopefully this OCT vacancy is the one that fills in the bottom of the CA ranks with new/junior upgrades...Unfortunately it will be too late to save the company's "Green Flag" plan this summer, whatever the hell that is suppose to be. CLT seems to be running ok, haven't seen a ton of PM yet here, but once they start using CLT rsvs to cover every other base like they always do I think we will see it here too.
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Originally Posted by biigD View Post
Yeah, Dallas too apparently. Mentioned it in a different thread, but I just flew with a (737) FO that credited over 180 hours in March. There's premium all over the place for those that want it. We're still fat on the CA side in NYC, but I expect things to change over the summer - I've moved up over 20 spots since prior to covid, but nobody is filling in at the bottom.
Exactly what a neighbor of mine was saying yesterday. We were having an “over the fence line” discussion. He is a very senior scheduler for AA, DFW 737 pilots. Premium. Still can’t fill all the seats. CA bad, FO worse. He shook his head when summer schedules ramp up.

Schoolhouse working hard to get pilots recertified. Hard to get simulator time to qualify pilots for different metal, as they came off airframes that were retired (5 of 9 types, but only 10% of total airplanes). Cannot keep up with growing PAX loads. Even after all get back flying, needing to hire for those who took early retirement and those hitting 65.

Maintenance is stretched, as well. Trying to do heavy checks for all those planes parked in the desert.
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Headaches aside, glad to see travel coming back strong and way sooner than many projections (aka SWAGs)
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I concur. Considering that many of us were polishing up our resumes this time last year, I’d say I’m definitely happy to see a pilot staffing crunch. PM isn’t bad either.
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