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PRS Guitars 12-06-2021 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by nimslow (Post 3331655)
Unless you call sick for every trip, I'd say the chance of not flying on SC for the full month in DFW on a narrow body is pretty much zero. Since every other base flys through DFW, we cover broken trips from other baes all the time. I cant speak for the fo's, but as a ca on short call, it's very rare for me to have more than two, or three days a month I don't fly. I've timed out more than a few times, and usual SC month is around 70 hours.

I believe the other narrow body bases are probably about the same, but we average 30% reserve coverage, both ca's and fo's.

On the line holder side, for December in DFW (737) 41% of our pairings were 4 day trips, and just over 5% were 5 day's.

I didn't look at January yet, but my fo says it looks about the same.
well, it’s true, and I proffered for trips. It’s because they were giving out premium like crazy and people probably didn’t want to call in sick. I had Covid and got a PW status and a 30ish hour GTD, then didn’t turn a wheel. Didn’t even make it to the 1st guy on the hook ever. I worked almost the entire holiday week too.

merica1776 12-07-2021 06:20 AM
So if being home is main QoL concern. What’s the lowest realistic average working days per month if living in domicile and making money isn’t your primary concern?

Dobbs18 12-07-2021 07:12 AM
Originally Posted by merica1776 (Post 3332140)
So if being home is main QoL concern. What’s the lowest realistic average working days per month if living in domicile and making money isn’t your primary concern?
Line holder or reserve?….It varies a lot between 4 part bid status(ie. DFW/737/FO/I) a lot…people can probably only accurately tell you about their bid status, min is CLT 320 FO, and with a little work and knowledge of our scheduling tools, TTS, TTOT, liteSabre, pbs, etc…as a line holder you can get that down to close to zero, of course that comes with zero pay too. As a RSV with weekends off you will work WAY WAY less here in CLT. I would say that in addition to your 12 or 13 off days you can reasonably expect 4 or 5 more days they don’t use you(this changes month to month a lot lately).

Dobbs18 12-07-2021 07:22 AM
Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 3332028)
well, it’s true, and I proffered for trips. It’s because they were giving out premium like crazy and people probably didn’t want to call in sick. I had Covid and got a PW status and a 30ish hour GTD, then didn’t turn a wheel. Didn’t even make it to the 1st guy on the hook ever. I worked almost the entire holiday week too.
When you say you didn’t fly for a month and leave this part out it’s a bit misleading….I didn’t fly at all in September on SC. Oh yeah I had 2 weeks of vacation too…see not the same. If you are a NB RSV these days you are going to get used, period. Some categories more than others. The last time I went a legit long @$$ time without getting used was like end of Jan to Feb of 2017 or 2018, it was like 42 days of off plus not getting used.

merica1776 12-07-2021 08:30 AM
Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3332168)
Line holder or reserve?….It varies a lot between 4 part bid status(ie. DFW/737/FO/I) a lot…people can probably only accurately tell you about their bid status, min is CLT 320 FO, and with a little work and knowledge of our scheduling tools, TTS, TTOT, liteSabre, pbs, etc…as a line holder you can get that down to close to zero, of course that comes with zero pay too. As a RSV with weekends off you will work WAY WAY less here in CLT. I would say that in addition to your 12 or 13 off days you can reasonably expect 4 or 5 more days they don’t use you(this changes month to month a lot lately).
Ok I guess as a DFW nb FO is that pretty accurate as well?

nAAtive 12-07-2021 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by merica1776 (Post 3332221)
Ok I guess as a DFW nb FO is that pretty accurate as well?
Before I took the upgrade a few years ago, I was holding turn arounds and getting 19-21 days off a month. But the problem is if you can hold them you can also easily hold captain.

AllYourBaseAreB 12-07-2021 09:34 AM
I know FO’s with a few years seniority that are able to drop their lines down to zero

Heavyflyer 12-08-2021 03:38 PM
How long to hold 787 as an FO? And how is seniority determined in class?

Also, how does vacation work at AA?

Asking for a friend who’s looking at majors.

Setspeed 12-08-2021 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Heavyflyer (Post 3333066)
How long to hold 787 as an FO? And how is seniority determined in class?

Also, how does vacation work at AA?

Asking for a friend who’s looking at majors.
Seniority is by age.

Heavyflyer 12-08-2021 04:47 PM
Thanks!

How long does it take to hold 787? My friend is obsessed with that airplane and has a dream of flying at one day. Just trying to get an idea how long it would take to hold it.

Also, he is currently at a ULCC with almost 5 years of seniority. Curious about the vacation process accrual to see how long it would take to get break even.


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