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Old 04-30-2022, 11:54 AM
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well….. what was it?
Yeah, I'm curious too. Ed's methods rub me the wrong way, but if someone can convince me that he's the guy we need to secure a solid contract, I'm all ears.
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Old 04-30-2022, 12:03 PM
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well….. what was it?

He knows Ed. He made the case of having DFW “group think” amongst the President and VP may not be the thing we want. He also thought Ed was a little more proactive for the pilots and was a little more willing to push the press to test with mgt.
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He knows Ed. He made the case of having DFW “group think” amongst the President and VP may not be the thing we want. He also thought Ed was a little more proactive for the pilots and was a little more willing to push the press to test with mgt.
We need a bulldog. Paying nice with AA so far has yielded negative results.
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He knows Ed. He made the case of having DFW “group think” amongst the President and VP may not be the thing we want. He also thought Ed was a little more proactive for the pilots and was a little more willing to push the press to test with mgt.
My thoughts exactly. The group think problem is real, especially with DFW locals.

Not happy that Chris got elected but luckily the VP doesn’t do much.

If this show is being run my Rob and Chris, there is no doubt in my mind that we will just be in for more of the same ol. Never met either, but having flown with captains who flew with Chris, he is the furthest thing from anyone who wants to stir the pot. Contract knowledgeable, he’s top tier. But not willing to create waves for management (and what I perceive as a positioning himself for a future chief or VP)
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My thoughts exactly. The group think problem is real, especially with DFW locals.

Not happy that Chris got elected but luckily the VP doesn’t do much.

If this show is being run my Rob and Chris, there is no doubt in my mind that we will just be in for more of the same ol. Never met either, but having flown with captains who flew with Chris, he is the furthest thing from anyone who wants to stir the pot. Contract knowledgeable, he’s top tier. But not willing to create waves for management (and what I perceive as a positioning himself for a future chief or VP)
You guys have me rethinking my vote for Sam and then what I thought would be Baker. I might be for this crazy Ed dude, I want someone who will blow this place up. Figuratively, not literally.
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Old 04-30-2022, 05:47 PM
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I think the majority of Sams votes will slide to Baker.
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Yeah, most of Sams vote will go for Baker, simply based on Ed's campaign emails. Like I said before, and others as well,, Baker is a nice guy for sure, but he is NOT going to do anything but play soft toss with management, much like we have seen the past 3 years.


I want somone that wont play by the rules. Maybe that is what we actully need,to at a minimum, build some unity in our ranks. Ed is going to be like a bull in a china shop with APA and AA, and that is EXACTLY what I want.


But it does appear that Baker will win easily because we have so many pilots that just want to hear a person say the nice things in a nice way (kind of like Ferguson). That is a shame and insay that because Ed rubbed me the wrong way in the beginning too, mostly because of his off-base attacks against Pool, but it does not change the fact that he does indeed represent a sharp contrast the same ole same ole APA way of operating. Ed will **** a lot of people off, i just don't care anymore. I want a person that will actually DO something, NOT just SAY something. Words won't move the needle with AA management. Every day I seem to be more convinced that Ed will make the better president.
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Yeah, most of Sams vote will go for Baker, simply based on Ed's campaign emails. Like I said before, and others as well,, Baker is a nice guy for sure, but he is NOT going to do anything but play soft toss with management, much like we have seen the past 3 years.


I want somone that wont play by the rules. Maybe that is what we actully need,to at a minimum, build some unity in our ranks. Ed is going to be like a bull in a china shop with APA and AA, and that is EXACTLY what I want.


But it does appear that Baker will win easily because we have so many pilots that just want to hear a person say the nice things in a nice way (kind of like Ferguson). That is a shame and insay that because Ed rubbed me the wrong way in the beginning too, mostly because of his off-base attacks against Pool, but it does not change the fact that he does indeed represent a sharp contrast the same ole same ole APA way of operating. Ed will **** a lot of people off, i just don't care anymore. I want a person that will actually DO something, NOT just SAY something. Words won't move the needle with AA management. Every day I seem to be more convinced that Ed will make the better president.
i voted for Sam and now I’m voting for Ed. Baker seems like another “we asked they said no” type of rep.
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Yeah, most of Sams vote will go for Baker, simply based on Ed's campaign emails. Like I said before, and others as well,, Baker is a nice guy for sure, but he is NOT going to do anything but play soft toss with management, much like we have seen the past 3 years.


I want somone that wont play by the rules. Maybe that is what we actully need,to at a minimum, build some unity in our ranks. Ed is going to be like a bull in a china shop with APA and AA, and that is EXACTLY what I want.


But it does appear that Baker will win easily because we have so many pilots that just want to hear a person say the nice things in a nice way (kind of like Ferguson). That is a shame and insay that because Ed rubbed me the wrong way in the beginning too, mostly because of his off-base attacks against Pool, but it does not change the fact that he does indeed represent a sharp contrast the same ole same ole APA way of operating. Ed will **** a lot of people off, i just don't care anymore. I want a person that will actually DO something, NOT just SAY something. Words won't move the needle with AA management. Every day I seem to be more convinced that Ed will make the better president.
Agreed. Until recently I too thought that Ed was a little too rough around the edges. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy. I respect his military experience and he’s clearly a smart guy just based off of his resume. I just felt that the President should be a little less aggressive, and maybe more articulate in his communication style…

Then, management offered us a 4% pay raise. I’m happy to admit when I’m wrong, I’m voting for Ed.

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Originally Posted by ny797
My thoughts exactly. The group think problem is real, especially with DFW locals.

Not happy that Chris got elected but luckily the VP doesn’t do much.

If this show is being run my Rob and Chris, there is no doubt in my mind that we will just be in for more of the same ol. Never met either, but having flown with captains who flew with Chris, he is the furthest thing from anyone who wants to stir the pot. Contract knowledgeable, he’s top tier. But not willing to create waves for management (and what I perceive as a positioning himself for a future chief or VP)
I think you guys vastly overestimate the power the National Officers hold. The power still largely resides with the base reps. Ed would certainly be more forceful in his communications, which won’t hurt… anything is better than missing in action Ferguson.

I don’t get this “Chris likes management and won’t rock the boat” narrative at all. Have you bothered to read any of his DFW blasts? Watch his vacation bidding video? He DESPISES management. He thinks Chip is a clown. He’s also realistic in how screwed we all are under the RLA, and can actually read and write without throwing a tantrum like Ed.

If Ed wins, whatever. I just think his tantrums aren’t gonna get you what you think they will.
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