Sam Pool
05-06-2022, 08:09 PM
#81
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I think you guys vastly overestimate the power the National Officers hold. The power still largely resides with the base reps. Ed would certainly be more forceful in his communications, which won’t hurt… anything is better than missing in action Ferguson.
I don’t get this “Chris likes management and won’t rock the boat” narrative at all. Have you bothered to read any of his DFW blasts? Watch his vacation bidding video? He DESPISES management. He thinks Chip is a clown. He’s also realistic in how screwed we all are under the RLA, and can actually read and write without throwing a tantrum like Ed.
If Ed wins, whatever. I just think his tantrums aren’t gonna get you what you think they will.
I don’t get this “Chris likes management and won’t rock the boat” narrative at all. Have you bothered to read any of his DFW blasts? Watch his vacation bidding video? He DESPISES management. He thinks Chip is a clown. He’s also realistic in how screwed we all are under the RLA, and can actually read and write without throwing a tantrum like Ed.
If Ed wins, whatever. I just think his tantrums aren’t gonna get you what you think they will.
Folks have called Ed a "loose cannon" -- does anyone really think about exactly what that means? it isnt just he will pound the table and talk tough... he has no clue what he is doing. ho on earth thinks it is okay, as a sitting board member and candidate for union president, to use the term "self help" in a domicile blast? It is almost like he was TRYING to get APA injoined. He will be a liability if we are still in sec 6 by the time his term starts.
His blasts are almost completely unintelligible. They are full of tirades of "I have all this experience, I know the people" -- immediately followed by "I am not the status quo candidate" seriously? bipolar much? Go back and read the base blasts, they are VERY CLOSE to campaign blasts (Which would be a violation of bylaws, policy manual, and federal labor law -not allowed to use union resources to campaign). He sent 6 campaign blasts in election round (rules say 4). also not allowed to campaign when your doing union work (his election mailer has a picture of him at a picket -a dom rep at a picket taking campaign photos) Oh, and in that photo, he used union resources (the sign) and the APA logo (forbidden in the bylaws). He has violated so many of our own election rules (and probably some DOL ones too) that he would almost for sure get the election overturned. He is self serving and doesn't respect the rules of the organization. He will do anything to get elected and he doesnt care what it takes.
His campaign blasts makes all sorts of promises about what he will do as Pres -none of which are actually things the constitution and bylaws empower the president to do. Doesnt sound like he knows what the job even does. He is making promises that people want to hear. Sad because he is a two-time board member and should know better.
He lies about what happens in closed session, manufactured the drama about being muzzled or censured. He earned that when he sent out the blast on what happened in closed. He also lied about the resolution that Chris drafted on "canvassing" to make him sound like he was being targeted -what a joke. sicher he wasn't in the room when it was debated (he had left the board meeting early -- go check the video!). He goes out of his way to manufacture drama at the board table to make himself the victim/pariah. Watch the videos. It's nauseating.
Did anyone see the members hour from the spring board meeting this week? He shamelessly rolled out Jay Straub and Larry Meadows (his campaign surrogates on The Line who he puts up to beat up on Rob). COMPLETELY used them as pawns. He doesn't give a rats @ss about LTD pilots. Someone should ask him about his picket in Miami. He pushed the board HARD to get rid of the signs for LTD (said some crap about how the LTD message doesnt matter to anyone). But some how he stil thinks LTD is a winning issue? is that why he has rolled out Meadows, Prietz, Emery, and Straub? because his only arrow against Rob is that grievance MEadows won't shut up about? If he cared so much about LTD he would not have tried to ditch the signs. He is opportunistic and will take advantage of anyone he can to get a leg up - even Jay Straub. DISGUSTING! yes, EVERY pilot here cares about LTD. Sicher's candidatcy is so weak that his only play is to use the LTD card.
Sicher is only in it for Sicher. If he ends up as President, management will stop working with us. it will be like Lloyd Hill days -probably worse. they will tell us to come back when we are serious. his "tough guy schtick" may get some votes from people who are tired of no results -and that makes sense. but he will set us WAY WAY WAY back.
I am not a huge fan of Rob. definitely not. My first choice is out. But left with what we have, Rob is a much better choice. MUCH better.
05-07-2022, 03:31 AM
#82
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05-07-2022, 04:40 AM
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As for the idea that Sicher is going to go after management and Baker is not - take a look at Baker's campaign page that lists a slew of base blasts where the DFW Reps explicitly go after management - https://www.bakertorres.com/for-the-record/. And oh by the way, in a campaign blast, Sicher alleged that Baker attended a secret management meeting when in fact Baker did so to explicitly call out management for their attempts to circumvent the union. This meeting was so "secret" that Baker sent a base blast the next day about it - Chip Long disagrees with DFW Chair. So while Sicher's base blasts and campaign blasts might make him seem full of bravado, they are in fact half truths where he is setting fire to the institution he is trying to lead and alienating those can help fix it.
05-07-2022, 05:21 AM
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oh by the way, in a campaign blast, Sicher alleged that Baker attended a secret management meeting when in fact Baker did so to explicitly call out management for their attempts to circumvent the union. This meeting was so "secret" that Baker sent a base blast the next day about it - Chip Long disagrees with DFW Chair.
05-07-2022, 05:31 AM
#85
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So a sitting member of the APA Board of Directors and presidential candidate has created an APC profile (new member as of May, 1 post) to jump in on this discussion? I don't know whether that seems more desperate or insecure. As to this specific point on Sam - why does this need to be said? Every single pilot willing to step up and volunteer for APA should be invited to take a role. Seems like you're pandering to the Sam crowd (whose name you couldn't even get right when you crapped all over him in your campaign blasts). Why would you expect people to come work with you after you excoriate them in your effort to take office?
As for the idea that Sicher is going to go after management and Baker is not - take a look at Baker's campaign page that lists a slew of base blasts where the DFW Reps explicitly go after management - https://www.bakertorres.com/for-the-record/. And oh by the way, in a campaign blast, Sicher alleged that Baker attended a secret management meeting when in fact Baker did so to explicitly call out management for their attempts to circumvent the union. This meeting was so "secret" that Baker sent a base blast the next day about it - Chip Long disagrees with DFW Chair. So while Sicher's base blasts and campaign blasts might make him seem full of bravado, they are in fact half truths where he is setting fire to the institution he is trying to lead and alienating those can help fix it.
As for the idea that Sicher is going to go after management and Baker is not - take a look at Baker's campaign page that lists a slew of base blasts where the DFW Reps explicitly go after management - https://www.bakertorres.com/for-the-record/. And oh by the way, in a campaign blast, Sicher alleged that Baker attended a secret management meeting when in fact Baker did so to explicitly call out management for their attempts to circumvent the union. This meeting was so "secret" that Baker sent a base blast the next day about it - Chip Long disagrees with DFW Chair. So while Sicher's base blasts and campaign blasts might make him seem full of bravado, they are in fact half truths where he is setting fire to the institution he is trying to lead and alienating those can help fix it.
05-07-2022, 05:37 AM
#86
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Totally agree, if we sit around doing the status quo we will be accepting 4% raise. What we were doing has not worked, time for a new approach
05-07-2022, 05:44 AM
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05-07-2022, 06:40 AM
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I think you guys vastly overestimate the power the National Officers hold. The power still largely resides with the base reps. Ed would certainly be more forceful in his communications, which won’t hurt… anything is better than missing in action Ferguson.
I don’t get this “Chris likes management and won’t rock the boat” narrative at all. Have you bothered to read any of his DFW blasts? Watch his vacation bidding video? He DESPISES management. He thinks Chip is a clown. He’s also realistic in how screwed we all are under the RLA, and can actually read and write without throwing a tantrum like Ed.
If Ed wins, whatever. I just think his tantrums aren’t gonna get you what you think they will.
I don’t get this “Chris likes management and won’t rock the boat” narrative at all. Have you bothered to read any of his DFW blasts? Watch his vacation bidding video? He DESPISES management. He thinks Chip is a clown. He’s also realistic in how screwed we all are under the RLA, and can actually read and write without throwing a tantrum like Ed.
If Ed wins, whatever. I just think his tantrums aren’t gonna get you what you think they will.
Folks have called Ed a "loose cannon" -- does anyone really think about exactly what that means? it isnt just he will pound the table and talk tough... he has no clue what he is doing. ho on earth thinks it is okay, as a sitting board member and candidate for union president, to use the term "self help" in a domicile blast? It is almost like he was TRYING to get APA injoined. He will be a liability if we are still in sec 6 by the time his term starts.
05-07-2022, 09:36 AM
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This post is correct on so many levels... the Pres and VP have far less power than most line pilots understand. missing i naction Ferguson isnt very good, but he isnt screwing the pooch directly to an injunction... Ed Sicher would do exactly that.
Folks have called Ed a "loose cannon" -- does anyone really think about exactly what that means? it isnt just he will pound the table and talk tough... he has no clue what he is doing. ho on earth thinks it is okay, as a sitting board member and candidate for union president, to use the term "self help" in a domicile blast? It is almost like he was TRYING to get APA injoined. He will be a liability if we are still in sec 6 by the time his term starts.
Folks have called Ed a "loose cannon" -- does anyone really think about exactly what that means? it isnt just he will pound the table and talk tough... he has no clue what he is doing. ho on earth thinks it is okay, as a sitting board member and candidate for union president, to use the term "self help" in a domicile blast? It is almost like he was TRYING to get APA injoined. He will be a liability if we are still in sec 6 by the time his term starts.
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