AA Regional LCAs Make More than AA 777 CAs
06-16-2022, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
I have an idea. How about merging the wholly owned carriers together to make one big Eagle. Then, figure out who wants to go to AA. Those guys will be called “flow through” pilots. The other guys will be “Eagle Rights” pilots. Once a pilot makes RJ captain they serve a two year seat lock, but they are assigned a seniority number. When they flow, they start with two years seniority.
APA will get a benefit, too! In the event of a furlough, take the number of flow through pilots and subtract that from the Rights pilots and you get the number of APA flow back seats for furloughed pilots. Left seat of course!
In exchange, the company gets a long term no-strike amenable contract!
It’s a win/win/win!
APA will get a benefit, too! In the event of a furlough, take the number of flow through pilots and subtract that from the Rights pilots and you get the number of APA flow back seats for furloughed pilots. Left seat of course!
In exchange, the company gets a long term no-strike amenable contract!
It’s a win/win/win!
I see what you did there.
It all worked out great before.
06-16-2022, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
I have an idea. How about merging the wholly owned carriers together to make one big Eagle. Then, figure out who wants to go to AA. Those guys will be called “flow through” pilots. The other guys will be “Eagle Rights” pilots. Once a pilot makes RJ captain they serve a two year seat lock, but they are assigned a seniority number. When they flow, they start with two years seniority.
APA will get a benefit, too! In the event of a furlough, take the number of flow through pilots and subtract that from the Rights pilots and you get the number of APA flow back seats for furloughed pilots. Left seat of course!
In exchange, the company gets a long term no-strike amenable contract!
It’s a win/win/win!
APA will get a benefit, too! In the event of a furlough, take the number of flow through pilots and subtract that from the Rights pilots and you get the number of APA flow back seats for furloughed pilots. Left seat of course!
In exchange, the company gets a long term no-strike amenable contract!
It’s a win/win/win!
06-16-2022, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
I have an idea. How about merging the wholly owned carriers together to make one big Eagle. Then, figure out who wants to go to AA. Those guys will be called “flow through” pilots. The other guys will be “Eagle Rights” pilots. Once a pilot makes RJ captain they serve a two year seat lock, but they are assigned a seniority number. When they flow, they start with two years seniority.
APA will get a benefit, too! In the event of a furlough, take the number of flow through pilots and subtract that from the Rights pilots and you get the number of APA flow back seats for furloughed pilots. Left seat of course!
In exchange, the company gets a long term no-strike amenable contract!
It’s a win/win/win!
APA will get a benefit, too! In the event of a furlough, take the number of flow through pilots and subtract that from the Rights pilots and you get the number of APA flow back seats for furloughed pilots. Left seat of course!
In exchange, the company gets a long term no-strike amenable contract!
It’s a win/win/win!
And, you forgot to add that your proposed Eagle Rights pilots could eventually flow, even though they never lost their Captain seat....
Last edited by Tranquility; 06-16-2022 at 03:27 PM.
06-16-2022, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJphlyer
I’m actually not sure if you’re serious or just trolling. Because your point doesn’t make sense. Bringing ALL flying in house should be the goal. 1 brand. 1 airline. 1 seniority list.
06-16-2022, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RadialRover
Who’s going to go to the mainline that starts them off in the E145? It doesn’t make any business sense.
06-16-2022, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by J3nkums
It doesn't benefit mainline because this temporary contract gain is not going to last. Nothing strange or obtuse about the pilot group. What's strange is the idea that just because you're WO you think you're entitled to a number at AA when half the pilot group comes from somewhere else... to include other regionals where they do their time and leave for the next step in their career. That to me is obtuse, strange and has an odd sense of entitlement to it. While I'm not against bringing our WOs in house it would have to be done in a way where thousands of pilots don't arent mainline over night and new hires from outside the WO would be able to bid for a seat in the RJ like we had it when we had 190s in house. Otherwise, there would be no reason for any competitive candidate from the military or anywhere else to choose AA because lets be honest, right now short of living in base for AA, there's not much going for it currently except the seniority progression.
06-16-2022, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RadialRover
Who’s going to go to the mainline that starts them off in the E145? It doesn’t make any business sense.
Delta has already pretty much absorbed it’s regional flying already with 717s and to a certain extent the A220. The pay on those aircraft is lower than on the bus and 73. United’s plan involves 737s to take up the slack from their failing regionals but if it keeps up like this it isn’t a stretch at all to see them operating 175s in a 80+ seat configuration. ACMIs and LCCs are hiring 1,500 hour pilots here and there already.
Do you think the regionals just shrink in half and nothing else changes over the next 12 months? Mainlines are going to be flying their own flying again as they resorb what they can from the regional airlines. They can’t maintain their networks with their current / future narrowbodies. The flying comes back in house or it’s just market share gone for probably good. And if the RJs come in house that means the pilots HAVE to come with them.
This is the opportunity that APA was ignorant to. The market is pushing this direction and it’s doing it fast. It isn’t about entitlement for a mainline seniority number or any garbage like that. Your numbers are yours. Have them lol. The point is that the flying will be resorbed sooner or later. And APA missed this opportunity to do it sooner and make gains for the pilots. Missed it completely.
You are all so stuck on, “BuT mUh SeNiOrItY nUmBeRs!” and “sTuPiD rJ sCuM” that you’ve completely missed the forest for the trees. But that’s nothing new for APA.
06-16-2022, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJphlyer
1,500 hour CFIs and anyone who wants to fly passengers in a 77 or 78 eventually. You do realize that the industry is moving that direction right? This pay at the Eagle WOs just hastened that.
Delta has already pretty much absorbed it’s regional flying already with 717s and to a certain extent the A220. The pay on those aircraft is lower than on the bus and 73. United’s plan involves 737s to take up the slack from their failing regionals but if it keeps up like this it isn’t a stretch at all to see them operating 175s in a 80+ seat configuration. ACMIs and LCCs are hiring 1,500 hour pilots here and there already.
Do you think the regionals just shrink in half and nothing else changes over the next 12 months? Mainlines are going to be flying their own flying again as they resorb what they can from the regional airlines. They can’t maintain their networks with their current / future narrowbodies. The flying comes back in house or it’s just market share gone for probably good. And if the RJs come in house that means the pilots HAVE to come with them.
This is the opportunity that APA was ignorant to. The market is pushing this direction and it’s doing it fast. It isn’t about entitlement for a mainline seniority number or any garbage like that. Your numbers are yours. Have them lol. The point is that the flying will be resorbed sooner or later. And APA missed this opportunity to do it sooner and make gains for the pilots. Missed it completely.
You are all so stuck on, “BuT mUh SeNiOrItY nUmBeRs!” and “sTuPiD rJ sCuM” that you’ve completely missed the forest for the trees. But that’s nothing new for APA.
Delta has already pretty much absorbed it’s regional flying already with 717s and to a certain extent the A220. The pay on those aircraft is lower than on the bus and 73. United’s plan involves 737s to take up the slack from their failing regionals but if it keeps up like this it isn’t a stretch at all to see them operating 175s in a 80+ seat configuration. ACMIs and LCCs are hiring 1,500 hour pilots here and there already.
Do you think the regionals just shrink in half and nothing else changes over the next 12 months? Mainlines are going to be flying their own flying again as they resorb what they can from the regional airlines. They can’t maintain their networks with their current / future narrowbodies. The flying comes back in house or it’s just market share gone for probably good. And if the RJs come in house that means the pilots HAVE to come with them.
This is the opportunity that APA was ignorant to. The market is pushing this direction and it’s doing it fast. It isn’t about entitlement for a mainline seniority number or any garbage like that. Your numbers are yours. Have them lol. The point is that the flying will be resorbed sooner or later. And APA missed this opportunity to do it sooner and make gains for the pilots. Missed it completely.
You are all so stuck on, “BuT mUh SeNiOrItY nUmBeRs!” and “sTuPiD rJ sCuM” that you’ve completely missed the forest for the trees. But that’s nothing new for APA.
06-16-2022, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJphlyer
1,500 hour CFIs and anyone who wants to fly passengers in a 77 or 78 eventually. You do realize that the industry is moving that direction right? This pay at the Eagle WOs just hastened that.
Delta has already pretty much absorbed it’s regional flying already with 717s and to a certain extent the A220. The pay on those aircraft is lower than on the bus and 73. United’s plan involves 737s to take up the slack from their failing regionals but if it keeps up like this it isn’t a stretch at all to see them operating 175s in a 80+ seat configuration. ACMIs and LCCs are hiring 1,500 hour pilots here and there already.
Do you think the regionals just shrink in half and nothing else changes over the next 12 months? Mainlines are going to be flying their own flying again as they resorb what they can from the regional airlines. They can’t maintain their networks with their current / future narrowbodies. The flying comes back in house or it’s just market share gone for probably good. And if the RJs come in house that means the pilots HAVE to come with them.
This is the opportunity that APA was ignorant to. The market is pushing this direction and it’s doing it fast. It isn’t about entitlement for a mainline seniority number or any garbage like that. Your numbers are yours. Have them lol. The point is that the flying will be resorbed sooner or later. And APA missed this opportunity to do it sooner and make gains for the pilots. Missed it completely.
You are all so stuck on, “BuT mUh SeNiOrItY nUmBeRs!” and “sTuPiD rJ sCuM” that you’ve completely missed the forest for the trees. But that’s nothing new for APA.
Delta has already pretty much absorbed it’s regional flying already with 717s and to a certain extent the A220. The pay on those aircraft is lower than on the bus and 73. United’s plan involves 737s to take up the slack from their failing regionals but if it keeps up like this it isn’t a stretch at all to see them operating 175s in a 80+ seat configuration. ACMIs and LCCs are hiring 1,500 hour pilots here and there already.
Do you think the regionals just shrink in half and nothing else changes over the next 12 months? Mainlines are going to be flying their own flying again as they resorb what they can from the regional airlines. They can’t maintain their networks with their current / future narrowbodies. The flying comes back in house or it’s just market share gone for probably good. And if the RJs come in house that means the pilots HAVE to come with them.
This is the opportunity that APA was ignorant to. The market is pushing this direction and it’s doing it fast. It isn’t about entitlement for a mainline seniority number or any garbage like that. Your numbers are yours. Have them lol. The point is that the flying will be resorbed sooner or later. And APA missed this opportunity to do it sooner and make gains for the pilots. Missed it completely.
You are all so stuck on, “BuT mUh SeNiOrItY nUmBeRs!” and “sTuPiD rJ sCuM” that you’ve completely missed the forest for the trees. But that’s nothing new for APA.
-More numbers on the list spending union dues equals more APA money? Ok. Sure
-All flying should be done by mainline pilots? Yep.
-This would pretty much decimate the non-WO applicant pool. Shouldn’t that be a concern?
What else?
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