Close Call at JFK
01-16-2023, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYMIA
We have Jepp FD PRO with moving map AMM airport charts. I’m not on the wide body so unsure of flight deck systems capability.
01-16-2023, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dwightkschrute
METAR at the time was for 10 miles vis and ceilings broken at about 2200 feet. I’m not sure how the Delta crew could miss a 777 taxing across their runway but I’m not here to pass judgement.
I got clearance to taxi across runway 11 in MSY a few years back. I looked to the right and saw a light twin (Cessna 310 possibly) over the threshold. I told the captain to stop, which he did (and I was ready on the brakes). I told tower that we were holding short for landing traffic. After a few seconds of silence he responded with American 123, hold short runway 11.
Point being is that anyone can make a mistake and if the crew or controller don’t catch it, then it can have deadly consequences.
I got clearance to taxi across runway 11 in MSY a few years back. I looked to the right and saw a light twin (Cessna 310 possibly) over the threshold. I told the captain to stop, which he did (and I was ready on the brakes). I told tower that we were holding short for landing traffic. After a few seconds of silence he responded with American 123, hold short runway 11.
Point being is that anyone can make a mistake and if the crew or controller don’t catch it, then it can have deadly consequences.
The reality is that the PF was likely concentrating on centerline, and the PNF on the engine gauges and airspeed calls. Its like the guy crossed the runway when they were lining up and nothing else was going on.
01-16-2023, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tm602
The reality is that the PF was likely concentrating on centerline, and the PNF on the engine gauges and airspeed calls. Its like the guy crossed the runway when they were lining up and nothing else was going on.
01-16-2023, 08:11 AM
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I think the 777 wasn’t on the runway when takeoff started, but there isn’t any proof yet just like we don’t know when delta started aborting. We only have the audio. Delta could have initiated the reject prior to ATC, we will fine out eventually.
01-16-2023, 09:25 AM
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From the video they didn't just cross the wrong wrong runway as B does not intersect the runway. The AA turned left K then a right on J and then crossed the runway. Not sure how 3 pilots missed the turn in the wrong direction.
01-16-2023, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dwightkschrute
From what I’ve heard, the 777 doesn’t have GPS so the AMM won’t work.
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