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Old 06-22-2023, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sumwherelse
IMAX is something every single pilot could and probably should do.
Why? If it can be traded away for passive gains like better sick leave and vacation and pay rates then why not just barter it away for things the entire group will benefit from without doing anything.

Why should the membership want a system you have to “work at” that requires gamesmanship and a Microsoft excel spreadsheet so you can keep up with your “strategy”.

The only people who want it believe they benefit disproportional and “earn it”.
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Old 06-22-2023, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LBFO79
I think the company likes IMAX. It encourages imax pilots to pick up trips for straight time instead of opting for premium, thus cutting down in the number of premium trips awarded. The company gets numerous smaller broken up trips covered at straight time. It’s great for them. Then they know at least half the pilots who have time off due to imax, will be there to save the day if they need open trips covered.
company likes imax, but they pretend they don’t like it so they can leverage us during negotiations. Of course APA falls for it and decides it’s a priority to protect a system that only benefits a super minority of our pilots. By doing this they also accept lower credit for vacation, sick and more, which harms the overwhelming majority. Nothing at APA ever makes sense.
So, if AA likes IMAX, it isn’t worth anything in a trade. Even if it is worth something to them, it’s though to quantify and would be tough to give away. Why concede anything? These guys on here, think, “oh we can just give them IMAX and we will get the world”…Except we won’t, so why give it away? It is one of many ways to build QOL and make money under this contract. Also, don’t knock it until you try it.
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
Why? If it can be traded away for passive gains like better sick leave and vacation and pay rates then why not just barter it away for things the entire group will benefit from without doing anything.

Why should the membership want a system you have to “work at” that requires gamesmanship and a Microsoft excel spreadsheet so you can keep up with your “strategy”.

The only people who want it believe they benefit disproportional and “earn it”.
id like to know what exactly what it is you want to trade away?
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
What were you hoping commuters would get? The 14 hour LC will help commuters, DAL got 18, but that might mean more SC conversions, so 14 seems ok to me.
not saying 18 hour LC won’t cause them to use SCs more, but DL lowered the maximum number of involuntary monthly SCs from 7 to 6 in our contract and got pay over guarantee for each unused conversion.
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
Why? If it can be traded away for passive gains like better sick leave and vacation and pay rates then why not just barter it away for things the entire group will benefit from without doing anything.

Why should the membership want a system you have to “work at” that requires gamesmanship and a Microsoft excel spreadsheet so you can keep up with your “strategy”.

The only people who want it believe they benefit disproportional and “earn it”.
You assume it can be given away for those things. I think you are wrong.
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Armyguy
What percent of pilots commute: @30%, some say 40%
What percent of pilots use sick time: close to 100%
What percent of pilots sell back or use vacation: 100%
What percent of pilots actually IMAX: 3%. I have heard the highest number of pilots to actually IMAX in a given year is 400. 13,500 pilots. 3%
What percent of pilots get stuck in IMAX hell where you limited to a low month: No idea but I bet it is around 3% also.

I would trade that IMAX crap away ASAP
I asked before, what did you want for commuters in this AIP? Second question, have you ever tried IMAX? Third question, do you like having 1 to 2 paid months off? 1 is a piece of cake if planned right, 2 isn’t crazy hard to do.
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
not saying 18 hour LC won’t cause them to use SCs more, but DL lowered the maximum number of involuntary monthly SCs from 7 to 6 in our contract and got pay over guarantee for each unused conversion.
Yes, but it would suck to be converted 6 times in one month. I’ve never been converted twice in one month here (knock on wood).
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
I asked before, what did you want for commuters in this AIP? Second question, have you ever tried IMAX? Third question, do you like having 1 to 2 paid months off? 1 is a piece of cake if planned right, 2 isn’t crazy hard to do.
How does it work the month that you fly then? Do you credit like 120-130 hours in a month flying a bunch as a de facto reserve and then get ALV for doing nothing the following month?
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Old 06-22-2023, 12:37 PM
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How does it work the month that you fly then? Do you credit like 120-130 hours in a month flying a bunch as a de facto reserve and then get ALV for doing nothing the following month?
No. IMAX is a credit game not a flying game. It’s strategic use of credit to build up PROJ. And by being smart you can get anywhere from 1-4 months off PAID!! These people who want to “trade it away” don’t understand it because there really isn’t anything to trade away. IMAX is a concept not a tangible thing.
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Old 06-22-2023, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sumwherelse
No. IMAX is a credit game not a flying game. It’s strategic use of credit to build up PROJ. And by being smart you can get anywhere from 1-4 months off PAID!! These people who want to “trade it away” don’t understand it because there really isn’t anything to trade away. IMAX is a concept not a tangible thing.
In otherwords something that would not work if everybody or even a significant chunk of the pilot group did it so why is APA sacrificing our overall QOL to keep it? APA needs to go...
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