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Sounds like Delta's problem, not AA's

Turbosina

We all know that hiring standards at all carriers have changed... It used to be that in order to get an interview at a mainline carrier, you needed plenty of 121 TPIC, ideally a master's degree, and either significant military time or regional CKA time. Now they're hiring guys with a few hundred hours in the right seat of an RJ. So yes, standards have changed.

It is also clear that every carrier is making efforts to interview more diverse candidates. I'm not denying that. What I am challenging is your assumption that once you're hired, there's somehow a different standard for training and checking, from sim through IOE through CQ, if you are a 'diverse" candidate. That just isn't the case. There isn't one set of CQ standards for white guys and another standard for everyone else.

4dalulz

Something about "doing the same thing over and over again" or whatnot.

APCHCLIMB

Proof? Or, it didn’t happen.

Werjower

No he did man, I have a great polaroid of it.

One time on OE, the CKA tried to tell me that Miatas weren't sports cars so I told him to "eat a bag of d***s."

APCHCLIMB

The real story probably was the other way around. The captain told his lefty @ss to S_T_F_U and that’s why it was quiet.

Sliceback

No. We had a big discussion about technique vs procedure. He said "everyone says 'stable' while the engines are accelerating." He said it while the command sector was at, or approaching the limit, and the engines were at full acceleration. I'd never seen that. So I asked him what that was about. We don't say stable. We also don't have a requirement to stablize the engines during the application of power. He'd watched guys bring over their airline procedures and he'd started copying them...except he didn't realize that they were actually targeting, and pausing, at 40%. So he was fire walling them and saying 'stable' at some point while setting takeoff thrust. So there's two camps - the guys who haven't flown large jets that often light switch the power and the ex-airline guys who spool them up to 40% +/-, confirm stable, and then advance the thrust. There is no procedure about applying power except to set it. Some guys light switch it from, some from 40% and I tell the younger guys "I play 'catch me if you can'" after 40% where the command sector stays comfortably ahead of the actual thrust so that acceleration is constant but isn't fire walled from the stable setting. That's technique.

It was a technique that he'd seen "all" the ex-airline guys do but he didn't understand the details, the concept, or the reasons. Sitting in position on SNA's 20R and there's a big split N1 skid mark to the right. At that point the reason for the technique (procedure at airlines) was obvious. If you ever see it happen it can be violent. You often can see the nose wheel skid marks getting wider and thinner as the plane is porpoising up and down on the nose strut violently. PHL 08L had a big w/b skid mark to the left. DFW 17R had a 737's split N1 skid mark to the left. JFK had a big one on 31L. MIA 08R. They fade after 6-12 months?

Sliceback

What's the standard number of sims before someone gets fired? The record I was told was 26 sims. It's a 10 sim program. In 2014 4% of newhires needed an extra sim and 6% needed 2 extra sims. How many needed >2 extra sims wasn't mentioned publically. If everyone doesn't get 26 sims is there a chance there's multiple standards? He got the 'good guy, trying hard' standard. Needless to say there were some ****ed off CKA which is how the number came out.

Sliceback

Aircraft dependant. It's a procedure on all aircraft...until I got qualified on one where it's not a procedure. So the old heads have used their old procedures as a technique and some of the young guys are trying to emulate it.

FOM - TAKEOFF - Thrust levers ......TO/GA. That is it. Zero to hero, light switch them, whatever...just get it to TO/GA.

Seven3guy

Um, no there isn't. I've spent years as an evaluator and LCA and have never heard nor heard of any different testing standard.