APA officially in negotiations with ALPA
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They should overhaul the governance and make each application go through some review board or similar vetting. Maybe make it 12 months on LTD before kicking in. I like the idea of PMA but it is clearly being abused. I'll talk to my reps before opting out. I was on LTD for ~10 months in 2022 due to injury and did not pull from PMA because I didn't need it and am not a scumbag.
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They should overhaul the governance and make each application go through some review board or similar vetting. Maybe make it 12 months on LTD before kicking in. I like the idea of PMA but it is clearly being abused. I'll talk to my reps before opting out. I was on LTD for ~10 months in 2022 due to injury and did not pull from PMA because I didn't need it and am not a scumbag.
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So yes to me, opinion only I guess, it's a little scummy to max your hours for 1.5 years to take advantage of the new LTD for a planned knee replacement and then draw down on PMA that is for unexpected or dire circumstance.
I'm waiting to speak to my rep to decide. I might keep it as the extra 100/mo isn't a huge deal for me but I'm gonna have to be sold and I would like there to be some vetting on who uses it. Vetting might be a pandora's box situation but we'll see what the reps say. As a strict financial tool I think PMA might not be the answer especially with POD LTSB and improved LTD.
Edit: My LTD was unexpected but financially did not need the extra from PMA. I didn't want to take from other pilots that may need it knowing it's completely funded by pilots.
#96
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Well the system(LTD) is gamed. If you've planned for 6 months to a year or more to go out on LTD then no you shouldn't be using PMA. It's not there as a pay-in pay-out. If that were the case you could just contribute the money to a retirement account or self directed investment vehicle and get better returns than the total allowable benefit of PMA, especially as a younger pilot.
So yes to me, opinion only I guess, it's a little scummy to max your hours for 1.5 years to take advantage of the new LTD for a planned knee replacement and then draw down on PMA that is for unexpected or dire circumstance.
I'm waiting to speak to my rep to decide. I might keep it as the extra 100/mo isn't a huge deal for me but I'm gonna have to be sold and I would like there to be some vetting on who uses it. Vetting might be a pandora's box situation but we'll see what the reps say. As a strict financial tool I think PMA might not be the answer especially with POD LTSB and improved LTD.
Edit: My LTD was unexpected but financially did not need the extra from PMA. I didn't want to take from other pilots that may need it knowing it's completely funded by pilots.
So yes to me, opinion only I guess, it's a little scummy to max your hours for 1.5 years to take advantage of the new LTD for a planned knee replacement and then draw down on PMA that is for unexpected or dire circumstance.
I'm waiting to speak to my rep to decide. I might keep it as the extra 100/mo isn't a huge deal for me but I'm gonna have to be sold and I would like there to be some vetting on who uses it. Vetting might be a pandora's box situation but we'll see what the reps say. As a strict financial tool I think PMA might not be the answer especially with POD LTSB and improved LTD.
Edit: My LTD was unexpected but financially did not need the extra from PMA. I didn't want to take from other pilots that may need it knowing it's completely funded by pilots.
#97
Well the system(LTD) is gamed. If you've planned for 6 months to a year or more to go out on LTD then no you shouldn't be using PMA. It's not there as a pay-in pay-out. If that were the case you could just contribute the money to a retirement account or self directed investment vehicle and get better returns than the total allowable benefit of PMA, especially as a younger pilot.
So yes to me, opinion only I guess, it's a little scummy to max your hours for 1.5 years to take advantage of the new LTD for a planned knee replacement and then draw down on PMA that is for unexpected or dire circumstance.
I'm waiting to speak to my rep to decide. I might keep it as the extra 100/mo isn't a huge deal for me but I'm gonna have to be sold and I would like there to be some vetting on who uses it. Vetting might be a pandora's box situation but we'll see what the reps say. As a strict financial tool I think PMA might not be the answer especially with POD LTSB and improved LTD.
Edit: My LTD was unexpected but financially did not need the extra from PMA. I didn't want to take from other pilots that may need it knowing it's completely funded by pilots.
So yes to me, opinion only I guess, it's a little scummy to max your hours for 1.5 years to take advantage of the new LTD for a planned knee replacement and then draw down on PMA that is for unexpected or dire circumstance.
I'm waiting to speak to my rep to decide. I might keep it as the extra 100/mo isn't a huge deal for me but I'm gonna have to be sold and I would like there to be some vetting on who uses it. Vetting might be a pandora's box situation but we'll see what the reps say. As a strict financial tool I think PMA might not be the answer especially with POD LTSB and improved LTD.
Edit: My LTD was unexpected but financially did not need the extra from PMA. I didn't want to take from other pilots that may need it knowing it's completely funded by pilots.
#99
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Well the system(LTD) is gamed. If you've planned for 6 months to a year or more to go out on LTD then no you shouldn't be using PMA. It's not there as a pay-in pay-out. If that were the case you could just contribute the money to a retirement account or self directed investment vehicle and get better returns than the total allowable benefit of PMA, especially as a younger pilot.
So yes to me, opinion only I guess, it's a little scummy to max your hours for 1.5 years to take advantage of the new LTD for a planned knee replacement and then draw down on PMA that is for unexpected or dire circumstance.
I'm waiting to speak to my rep to decide. I might keep it as the extra 100/mo isn't a huge deal for me but I'm gonna have to be sold and I would like there to be some vetting on who uses it. Vetting might be a pandora's box situation but we'll see what the reps say. As a strict financial tool I think PMA might not be the answer especially with POD LTSB and improved LTD.
Edit: My LTD was unexpected but financially did not need the extra from PMA. I didn't want to take from other pilots that may need it knowing it's completely funded by pilots.
So yes to me, opinion only I guess, it's a little scummy to max your hours for 1.5 years to take advantage of the new LTD for a planned knee replacement and then draw down on PMA that is for unexpected or dire circumstance.
I'm waiting to speak to my rep to decide. I might keep it as the extra 100/mo isn't a huge deal for me but I'm gonna have to be sold and I would like there to be some vetting on who uses it. Vetting might be a pandora's box situation but we'll see what the reps say. As a strict financial tool I think PMA might not be the answer especially with POD LTSB and improved LTD.
Edit: My LTD was unexpected but financially did not need the extra from PMA. I didn't want to take from other pilots that may need it knowing it's completely funded by pilots.
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Are you entitled to take PMA? Sure. But all the pilots saying "I paid in I'm entitled to my money" are now causing a 100% increase in fees. Without that increase PMA will default and cease to exist. So yes I believe it is scummy to take these benefits when you don't explicitly need to when there are pilots that may be in trouble that do need it.
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