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06-08-2025 | 05:04 PM
#41
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Exactly, in over 2 years of being a line holder I have yet to fly a single trip awarded to me and I was/am junior in 2 different bases.
06-09-2025 | 07:02 AM
#42
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So there is not a single trip you were awarded in more then 24 bidding cycles that you're like "hey, this is a great trip I want to keep it." I guess that is a testament to how bad the pairings are here it AA. I mean it is true, at my Regional we had a lower contractual min day by almost an hour but still credited more per trip then here at AA resulting with more days off as a lineholder. More of a reason we need limits put on the sodimizer next contract cycle.
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06-09-2025 | 07:34 AM
#43
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From: B747 FO
So there is not a single trip you were awarded in more then 24 bidding cycles that you're like "hey, this is a great trip I want to keep it." I guess that is a testament to how bad the pairings are here it AA. I mean it is true, at my Regional we had a lower contractual min day by almost an hour but still credited more per trip then here at AA resulting with more days off as a lineholder. More of a reason we need limits put on the sodimizer next contract cycle.
I 100% agree. Pairings are bad and getting worse by the minute. The top third of the seniority list has decent trips, the rest is real trash. I obviously understand we need to be productive, but the sodomizer has crossed a line and it just pushes every trip to fatigue limits.
06-09-2025 | 08:53 AM
#44
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From: A320 FO
I 100% agree. Pairings are bad and getting worse by the minute. The top third of the seniority list has decent trips, the rest is real trash. I obviously understand we need to be productive, but the sodomizer has crossed a line and it just pushes every trip to fatigue limits.
Long fatiguing days are ok if they are broken up by rest or days off. The pairing analyzer for CLT shows the most common trip (by a decent margin) is a 3-3-3 3 day which explains why everyone below the top 3rd is trying to trade/drop every trip on their lines.
06-09-2025 | 09:32 AM
#45
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I'm only recently able to hold a line so new to TTS but this has been my experience. I have a 4 day with 1 day off on either side I'm trying to trade left or right and I haven't been able to drop or trade it.
06-09-2025 | 09:39 AM
#46
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From: A320 FO
Obviously the more specific days off you 'need' and the higher the length of the trips reduces the solvable permutations. Turning both of the 4 days into 3 days is what I would try first but I don't want long trips. If you do then just try to make it a less onerous 4 day that starts on any other day. Load it all up for every trip you want to improve and wait for a batch run, then check immediately after the run for a real-time trade. Rinse and repeat.
06-09-2025 | 09:41 AM
#47
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From: B747 FO
If we need to be productive and productive means 3 legs per day (hub turns) then let's do more 2 day trips for people who live in base and prefer being home. Commuters and people who hate their family can do 4 or 5 day trips with a 30 hour somewhere so they are basically doing 2 3-leg 2 days back to back.
Long fatiguing days are ok if they are broken up by rest or days off. The pairing analyzer for CLT shows the most common trip (by a decent margin) is a 3-3-3 3 day which explains why everyone below the top 3rd is trying to trade/drop every trip on their lines.
Long fatiguing days are ok if they are broken up by rest or days off. The pairing analyzer for CLT shows the most common trip (by a decent margin) is a 3-3-3 3 day which explains why everyone below the top 3rd is trying to trade/drop every trip on their lines.
06-09-2025 | 09:57 AM
#48
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Expand your horizon, trade it for anything better on any day of the month (unless you need a specific day off). Do that for every garbage trip and eventually the puzzle will start to unlock.
Obviously the more specific days off you 'need' and the higher the length of the trips reduces the solvable permutations. Turning both of the 4 days into 3 days is what I would try first but I don't want long trips. If you do then just try to make it a less onerous 4 day that starts on any other day. Load it all up for every trip you want to improve and wait for a batch run, then check immediately after the run for a real-time trade. Rinse and repeat.
Obviously the more specific days off you 'need' and the higher the length of the trips reduces the solvable permutations. Turning both of the 4 days into 3 days is what I would try first but I don't want long trips. If you do then just try to make it a less onerous 4 day that starts on any other day. Load it all up for every trip you want to improve and wait for a batch run, then check immediately after the run for a real-time trade. Rinse and repeat.
my entire schedule was 4 day trips and if I try trading them all at once, I'm afraid that I'll get something worse
06-09-2025 | 10:49 AM
#49
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Expand your horizon, trade it for anything better on any day of the month (unless you need a specific day off). Do that for every garbage trip and eventually the puzzle will start to unlock.
Obviously the more specific days off you 'need' and the higher the length of the trips reduces the solvable permutations. Turning both of the 4 days into 3 days is what I would try first but I don't want long trips. If you do then just try to make it a less onerous 4 day that starts on any other day. Load it all up for every trip you want to improve and wait for a batch run, then check immediately after the run for a real-time trade. Rinse and repeat.
Obviously the more specific days off you 'need' and the higher the length of the trips reduces the solvable permutations. Turning both of the 4 days into 3 days is what I would try first but I don't want long trips. If you do then just try to make it a less onerous 4 day that starts on any other day. Load it all up for every trip you want to improve and wait for a batch run, then check immediately after the run for a real-time trade. Rinse and repeat.
06-09-2025 | 11:05 AM
#50
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From: A320 FO
Thanks!! I bid to trade for anything that starts on a certain date and another bid for anything that ends on a different specific date. Trying to reduce the number of times I commute and eliminate the off days that I would have to commute on anyway.
my entire schedule was 4 day trips and if I try trading them all at once, I'm afraid that I'll get something worse
my entire schedule was 4 day trips and if I try trading them all at once, I'm afraid that I'll get something worse
As Jules is complaining about the board will be red then when you least expect it the trade goes through. That's where proper parameters are key, you don't want a crappy commutable trip turning into a less crappy uncommutable one.
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