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DogPit 06-09-2025 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3919080)
So there is not a single trip you were awarded in more then 24 bidding cycles that you're like "hey, this is a great trip I want to keep it." I guess that is a testament to how bad the pairings are here it AA. I mean it is true, at my Regional we had a lower contractual min day by almost an hour but still credited more per trip then here at AA resulting with more days off as a lineholder. More of a reason we need limits put on the sodimizer next contract cycle.

It means with just a little bit of work, I can always find something better that works for me.

rolo 06-10-2025 09:33 PM

I haven’t had to call fatigue since I started but summer reserve with the optimizer and new RAS stings. Getting back from a grueling 4 day only to have them use you for an island turn the next morning hurts. Having to do 2 more legs after a SFO CLT leg knowing you’re starting another 2 day sequence the next day hurts a lot.

ImSoSuss 06-11-2025 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by rolo (Post 3919462)
I haven’t had to call fatigue since I started but summer reserve with the optimizer and new RAS stings. Getting back from a grueling 4 day only to have them use you for an island turn the next morning hurts. Having to do 2 more legs after a SFO CLT leg knowing you’re starting another 2 day sequence the next day hurts a lot.

it's brutal. Had to burn a sick day after getting a turn assigned to me the day after a pretty harsh 3 leg day that ended a 4 day trip. There are still reserves in my bid status with zero hours this month.

JulesWinfield 06-11-2025 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by rolo (Post 3919462)
I haven’t had to call fatigue since I started but summer reserve with the optimizer and new RAS stings. Getting back from a grueling 4 day only to have them use you for an island turn the next morning hurts. Having to do 2 more legs after a SFO CLT leg knowing you’re starting another 2 day sequence the next day hurts a lot.

If you’re fatigued, call fatigued. I’ve had 3 events and paid for each one. Just follow the instructions from the union.

Werjower 06-11-2025 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3919486)
If you’re fatigued, call fatigued. I’ve had 3 events and paid for each one. Just follow the instructions from the union.

Side note:

I'm just gonna go out and say that I've only called fatigued one time here and my fatigue call was deemed non operational and not paid, despite everything about it being operational. I even followed union guidance, had my report proofread and greenlit by the union, and didn't include anything but facts, yet still not paid.

Definitely miffed about it, and sent a sound off and e-mail to local reps. Heard nothing.

Others mileage may vary, definitely don't fly fatigued, but it's not a get out of jail free (with pay) card.

Flyinggrill 06-11-2025 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Werjower (Post 3919566)
Side note:

I'm just gonna go out and say that I've only called fatigued one time here and my fatigue call was deemed non operational and not paid, despite everything about it being operational. I even followed union guidance, had my report proofread and greenlit by the union, and didn't include anything but facts, yet still not paid.

Definitely miffed about it, and sent a sound off and e-mail to local reps. Heard nothing.

Others mileage may vary, definitely don't fly fatigued, but it's not a get out of jail free (with pay) card.

I’ve had approx 8 fatigue calls in 2.5 years, all of them paid and deemed operational. All of them were also in the middle of a trip or at the end of a trip (victory laps after long days and delays, etc). Not sure the details around your event, but if you call out fatigued before even starting a trip I’ve heard the rate of success of it being deemed operational is very low, even when merited and/or as a reserve. But I also truly believe the narrative can make or break it. If it was greenlit by the union, I’m surprised it got deemed non-operational. Was it before sign-in in your case?

Werjower 06-11-2025 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinggrill (Post 3919570)
I’ve had approx 8 fatigue calls in 2.5 years, all of them paid and deemed operational. All of them were also in the middle of a trip or at the end of a trip (victory laps after long days and delays, etc). Not sure the details around your event, but if you call out fatigued before even starting a trip I’ve heard the rate of success of it being deemed operational is very low, even when merited and/or as a reserve. But I also truly believe the narrative can make or break it. If it was greenlit by the union, I’m surprised it got deemed non-operational. Was it before sign-in in your case?

Wasn't before sign in, was day 4/4 penalty lap after a long sit pushing max duty day. Mx delay into wx delay into medical emergency return to gate. So I'm not sure how I could've changed the narrative any more than a complete operational chit show leading to it. Still got the 5:15 for working the 1 leg already that day, but lost out on 2.5ish extra. Rare case probably, but still happens.

dwightkschrute 06-11-2025 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinggrill (Post 3919570)
I’ve had approx 8 fatigue calls in 2.5 years, all of them paid and deemed operational. All of them were also in the middle of a trip or at the end of a trip (victory laps after long days and delays, etc). Not sure the details around your event, but if you call out fatigued before even starting a trip I’ve heard the rate of success of it being deemed operational is very low, even when merited and/or as a reserve. But I also truly believe the narrative can make or break it. If it was greenlit by the union, I’m surprised it got deemed non-operational. Was it before sign-in in your case?


On reserve, I once finished a 24 hour 4 day with transcons and 3 hour sits days 2-4. Had exactly 12 hours of rest before starting an 11-hour 2-day. Emailed the fatigue committee and was told the company looks at rest in base as wiping the slate clean from any sort of operationally-induced fatigue. I just called out sick instead

JulesWinfield 06-11-2025 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by rolo (Post 3919462)
I haven’t had to call fatigue since I started but summer reserve with the optimizer and new RAS stings. Getting back from a grueling 4 day only to have them use you for an island turn the next morning hurts. Having to do 2 more legs after a SFO CLT leg knowing you’re starting another 2 day sequence the next day hurts a lot.

Another thing to add is to try to bid for 4 day blocks or less. Under the old system, bidding 6 days was advantageous, as you rarely got called on the extra two days. Now, since flight time is rarely a factor, you don’t want to risk getting a 4 day followed by a 2 day.

ImSoSuss 06-11-2025 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by dwightkschrute (Post 3919592)
On reserve, I once finished a 24 hour 4 day with transcons and 3 hour sits days 2-4. Had exactly 12 hours of rest before starting an 11-hour 2-day. Emailed the fatigue committee and was told the company looks at rest in base as wiping the slate clean from any sort of operationally-induced fatigue. I just called out sick instead

This is true, I know from experience. Automatic non-operational if you're given proper rest between trips. Didn't waste my time last week, just banged out sick on the last day of reserve when they gave me a bull**** turn after a grueling 4 day.


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